Re: [Cooker] RedHat trying to beat us at our own game?

[Stefan van der Eijk]

Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:

On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:50:14AM +0100, Jaroslaw Zachwieja wrote:

On ??ro 23. lipca 2003 11:39, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:

On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:22:48AM +0100, Jaroslaw Zachwieja wrote:

On ?ro 23. lipca 2003 03:34, Olivier Thauvin wrote:

But lot of things are actually missing in RH:
urpmi

Cmon, RH makes money on up2date - they have a real package management
system, just want you to pay money for it. Apt-get still a pile of
--force --nodeps poo.

apt-get is production quality for redhat. But not for Mandrake.
Probably due to errors in the dependencies.

You call broken updates, upgrades, conflicts, unintentional rollbacks and coredumps a "production quality"??? Maybe in RH terms :))))

I have not experienced that. Anyway I would be interested in hearing
about your experiences, and suggested ways forward. They say that
apt-get works swell on debian, so distributions like redhat and mandrake
should be able to do it too. And mandrakeupdate/urpmi and up2date do
the job - where is the difference?

Main difference (IMHO, from what I've seen):

   * urpmi is a cash generator. You need to pay (or tollerate being
     nagged every 60 days) to use it;

* up2date only has installing / upgrading functionality, like urpmi;

   * up2date doesn't have functionality of urpme (removing packages)
     urpmf (listing files contained in packages), urpmq querying
     packages (dependencies, Provides / Requires, versions, etc);
   * up2date can't connect to more "media". With urpmi it's possible to
     configure multiple media and have different media servicing
     different environments --> /chroot/9.0 uses --media=9.0,
     /chroot/9.1 uses --media =9.1, etc)
   * RedHat's errata's don't provide hdlists. This makes using urpmi on
     them (without downloading the whole thing to make your own
     hdlists) less attractive;
   * Nice thing about up2date is the web interface where it's possible
     to manage packages on your system(s);

Has anybody provided an alternative service for RHN / up2date? This should be possible, since which service you connect to is configureable, and the up2date software itself is open. Just putting the server part together. Leverage the Internet mirrors or torent, and price it at 50% of what RHN costs... You can't call it RedHat, then make it RedCapNetwork...Why not?

RedHat made a biz-model out of keeping systems up2date, which makes sense. Mandrake built a technically superior product (IMHO), but just forgot the biz-model...

regards,

Stefan

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