By the way you said : "ODMs/OEMs are the real customers of Intel/AMD" and "Intel/AMD serve them law" (which law???) I have a scoop : a friend of mine happened to work in the marketing department of a (very large) OEM, and speaking about ME he told me that Intel OBLIGED them to adopt and integrate the ME! (in the beging the OEM guys were reluctant..) Of course this is only "street whispering" (and I will not force you to buy this..) but, but, as we say in Romanian "there is no smoke without fire..." ;-) Just my 2 satoshis.. Florentin
----- Mail d'origine ----- De: [email protected] À: [email protected] Envoyé: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:31:53 +0100 (CET) Objet: Re : Re: [coreboot] Coreboot Purism BIOS is free? open? No you didn't answer my question Peter, sorry!.. I am NOT questioning the "legitimacy" of ME/PSP (be it from a purely corporate/financial point of view..). (By the way I have no "legitimacy" myself to put this question of "legitimacy" to begin with..) I simply don't understand (and this is why I pollute the coreboot ML with this blah-blah..) why ALL (I insist on capital letters _ALL_) the systems (consumer/office even .. industrial..) have to have this kind of .. "technology" activated ALL the time (at least from the Intel/AMD point of view)?? For me this is simply irrational!.. Period!.. (And for the fact that consumer devices outnumber office/industrial/governmental devices, I will belive you when I see REAL statistics, sorry!..) Florentin ----- Mail d'origine ----- De: Peter Stuge <[email protected]> À: [email protected] Envoyé: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 18:29:48 +0100 (CET) Objet: Re: [coreboot] Coreboot Purism BIOS is free? open? [email protected] wrote: > (can we anymore speak about "owner"?..) We can and we must, if we want to own anything at all. Don't get tricked into merely consuming services and products; take ownership and shape your reality. [email protected] wrote: > But what has Netflix (or Sony, or the entertainment industry in > general...) to LEGALLY gain by strongarming Intel/AMD to keep > ME/PSP activated on all x86 platforms (not only consumer ones!..)? Philipp Stanner wrote: > I don't get it, too. ME has nothing to do with what you can do > with your machine and what it can perform. > > Even if 90% of users use their machine for multimedia purposes... Follow the money. What drives Intel sales? We can't know. Who are the strongest partners officially? That would be Microsoft (with Windows) and ODMs/OEMs. Intel serves them, by law. I guess that consumer devices significantly outnumber office devices. That's where the content industry comes into play. MSFT wants UEFI Secure Boot, so that OEMs are not required to deliver security. Content industry wants PAVP, so that hardware owners can not legally access unecrypted versions of the content. ME is Intel's answer to both those requirements and a few more, as described pretty clearly in the PSTR[1] book. And the DMCA and EUCD legal foundations align (un?)surprisingly well with the technical implementation details. //Peter [1] http://www.apress.com/9781430265719 -- coreboot mailing list: [email protected] https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot -- coreboot mailing list: [email protected] https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
