It's also possible to make Linux (with included ramdisk) into a
payload, so maybe that could be a middle ground: It's still usable by
all payloads that can execute payloads, it's still Linux + userland in
a more or less normal configuration. It has some overhead, but OTOH
brings the peace of mind of the battle hardened environment.


Patrick

Am Fr., 15. Feb. 2019 um 22:33 Uhr schrieb Matt B <[email protected]>:
>
> Makes sense. That was one thing that gave me a bit of a gut feeling to do it 
> in a small linux install than to try to integrate more tightly with the 
> firmware. The linux utility is what everyone uses and should be more reliable.
>
> I've been recently burned by that issue too, on proprietary firmware from 
> around 2008.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 7:56 PM ron minnich <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:29 AM Matt B <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I was helping a friend with a bios issue (we may have an involuntary 
>> > coreboot convert on our hands ;) ) and realized that a lot of BIOSs 
>> > provide a way for the BIOS to flash itself but Coreboot doesn't.
>>
>> And, for the record, this was intentional, a decision I made in 1999
>> when I started the project. I had been burned big time by firmware
>> systems that claimed to be able to reliably reflash themselves, and
>> the history of UEFI self-reflash, at least in my view, confirms that
>> this was the right call.
>>
>> I just wanted to make clear that this was not an oversight, it was a
>> decision we made from the start. We always felt more willing to trust
>> a user mode program running under Linux to get it right, as opposed to
>> some magic thing in the firmware ... :-)
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> ron
>
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