Hi Beverly When I worked in Scotland in 1974 I took a couple of trips to Northern Ireland. When I went there the voices and accents I heard sounded very much like the old people I grew up with from around the Ottawa Valley Canada though they where four generations removed. The longer I was there the easier it was for me to slip into the way of speaking they had. People from Northern Ireland who just met me would place my home some where around Ballymoney. Today television and people making fun of anyone who is suppose to have an Irish accent has pretty much muted the lilt and phraseology of the Northern Irish in Canada and I suspect it has dampened it as well in native Ireland. I believe the voices would have been a mingling of the old Scottish language who came with the Undertakers to Ulster. So the language would not have been the same as later 1800 Scottish, first because it was from an earlier age and it was separated by the Channel. Also it would very likely be co-mingled with Irish inhabitants who lived there as well. Together I suspect they had their own slang, phrases, stories and language short cuts used consistently by them but not the English or Scottish. The language would be a kind of Founders language. We hear that in Quebec today with people from some regions who still speak very old form of French. That would be my guess.
Cheers Ron McCoy On 2019-01-14 2:45 p.m., Beverley Ballantine via CoTyroneList wrote: Are these sayings, and lilting voices, of native Gaelic origin? Or are they Scottish? I would like to know how a mid 19th century Tyrone Scots-Irish person sounded like when first in America. Thank you and great transcription work. Beverley Ballantine Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Love that "Paper never refuses ink …" Very applicable today with revision: "The internet never refuses a keystroke …" Rick Smoll -----Original Message----- From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> To: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: Ron McCoy <ron.mc...@outlook.com<mailto:ron.mc...@outlook.com>> Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 6:13 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Irish Bally---ony My mom and dad used folk expressions liberally, my mom being more guilty then my dad but by far the greatest offender was my neighbour who was a wealth of folk expressions. She is now gone and sadly her expressions have not been recorded but I am sure would have filled volumes. These I believe were handed down generation after generation. One of my favorites was used to deflate my budding but inflated educational ego. I would be explaining to her some great scientific break through I had just learned at school and she would look at me with kind but skeptical eyes and say, " how do you know that." and I would say I read it in a text book to which she would simply reply, " Ah well, Paper never refuses ink. Now does it?" On the same vein my father would simply say to me ," Do you know that for a fact Mr. McCoy or did some one just tell you that?" When it was said with that deep and melodic Ottawa Valley accent which was in reality a Northern Ireland lilt one could not be truly offended. I heard these expressions and so many more oft repeated as a child and a young person growing up and sadly I took them for granted but wished in my heart I could hear them all again. They bring back great memories of kind and wise people, I miss them deeply... Cheers Ron McCoy On 2019-01-13 10:33 p.m., Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi Listers, As a kid in Belfast, I was intrigued by so many Irish place names starting in Bally... Those who know tell me it's derived from the Gaelic 'Baile na', meaning 'place of'. My mother would recite with a smile, the popular ditty of the time: If you weren't so Ballymena with your old Ballymoney, I'd buy a Ballycastle for my own Ballyholme. My mother was one for such sayings, so much so you'd be forgiven if you thought she'd kissed the Blarney, but I doubt she was ever that far south. There must be lots of these folk expressions which have fallen into disuse and now sadly lost. Gordon -- _________________________________ Nereda & Gordon Wilkinson, Hyde Park, South Australia. Web: www.ozemail.com.au/~neredon<http://www.ozemail.com.au/~neredon> Skype id: neredon Emails: gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au<mailto:gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au> nereda.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au<mailto:nereda.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au> _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
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