>>>> We have qmail+vpopmiail+curier-imap on freebsd 6.1
>>>> running in jail. FAM is used, curier-imap is using
>>>> enhanced idle mode (i checked it).
>>>>
>>>> The same box accessed via LAN from 6 workstations
>>>> using MS OE 6.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that SOMETIMES (no always) several
>>>> workstations see a new message, but other workstation do
>>>> not see the message at all. Restarting MS OE does not help.
>>
>>> Try installing a randomly-chosen service pack or a hotfix, or reformat
>>> and reinstall Windows.  That, pretty much, is the only way to
>>> troubleshoot bugs in Microsoft's software.
>>
>> What a crap-crud answer... elitist nonsense.
>>
>> The fact is FAM sucks, and is most likely the culprit. A quick google
>> will tell you all you need to know. This problem has NOTHING to do with
>> Windows.
>I 'm looking forward to the original poster trying your suggestion, and
> reporting back the results.

Hello. I am the original poster.
As for windows updates, reinstalls, reformats, e.t.c.
All windows workstations are updated regulary via windows update, so, not only
randomy-chosen but ALL updates available are installed.
As for reinstalling. I tried to do the following. I deleted IMAP account from 
MS OE
and recreated it from scratch again. However, the messages i did not see still 
are
invisible ( i see 11 of 14 messages, another workstation shows all 14). So, 
this, with
high probability, shows that MS OE might not be the cause of problems in this 
case.
Still, i might have a flaw in my logic in case if MS OE somehow keeps data from
previous account record, but i don't think so.
I don't know if itis a FAM fault either because i had the same problem when
imap-courier was running without FAM.

Below is imap tcp dumps (actually tcpflow -c '(port imap)')
(084.021.226.211 - is the server, 192.168.x.x - client)


---------------------------------- DUMP FROM THE STATION WHICH SEES ALL 14 
MESSAGES:

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS 
CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT 
THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. 
Copyright 1998-2005 Double Precision, Inc.  See 
COPYING for distribution information.

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: c9vz CAPABILITY

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS 
CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT 
THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS
c9vz OK CAPABILITY completed

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: 23v5 LOGIN "XXX" "XXX"

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: 23v5 OK LOGIN Ok.

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: 4ogo IDLE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: + entering idle mode

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: DONE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: 4ogo OK IDLE completed

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: byaj SELECT "INBOX"

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged 
\Deleted \Seen \Recent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited
* 14 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1155815598] Ok
* OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL
byaj OK [READ-WRITE] Ok

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: voty IDLE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: + entering ENHANCED idle mode

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: DONE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: voty OK IDLE completed

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: tkhw UID FETCH 34:* 
(BODY.PEEK[HEADER.FIELDS (References X-Ref X-Priority 
X-MSMail-Priority X-MSOESRec Newsgroups)] ENVELOPE RFC822.SIZE UID FLAGS 
INTERNALDATE)

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: tkhw OK FETCH completed.

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: xkx0 UID FETCH 1:33 (UID FLAGS)

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: * 1 FETCH (UID 1 FLAGS (\Flagged 
\Answered \Seen))
* 2 FETCH (UID 2 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 3 FETCH (UID 3 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 4 FETCH (UID 8 FLAGS ())
* 5 FETCH (UID 9 FLAGS ())
* 6 FETCH (UID 10 FLAGS ())
* 7 FETCH (UID 11 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 8 FETCH (UID 12 FLAGS ())
* 9 FETCH (UID 13 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 10 FETCH (UID 18 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 11 FETCH (UID 28 FLAGS ())
* 12 FETCH (UID 31 FLAGS ())
* 13 FETCH (UID 32 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 14 FETCH (UID 33 FLAGS ())
xkx0 OK FETCH completed.

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: aiau IDLE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: + entering ENHANCED idle mode

192.168.000.012.04620-084.021.226.211.00143: DONE
ZZZZ LOGOUT

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.012.04620: aiau OK IDLE completed


------------------------ DUMP FROM THE STATION WHICH SEES ONLY 11 of  14 
MESSAGES:

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS 
CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT 
THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. 
Copyright 1998-2005 Double Precision, Inc.  See 
COPYING for distribution information.

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: byv5 CAPABILITY

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS 
CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT 
THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS
byv5 OK CAPABILITY completed

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: x0fn LOGIN "XXX" "XXX"

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: x0fn OK LOGIN Ok.

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: z3sg IDLE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: + entering idle mode

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: DONE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: z3sg OK IDLE completed

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: 56k5 SELECT "INBOX"

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: * FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged 
\Deleted \Seen \Recent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited
* 14 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1155815598] Ok
* OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL
56k5 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: ucbh IDLE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: + entering ENHANCED idle mode

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: DONE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: ucbh OK IDLE completed

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: p21c UID FETCH 34:* 
(BODY.PEEK[HEADER.FIELDS (References X-Ref X-Priority 
X-MSMail-Priority X-MSOESRec Newsgroups)] ENVELOPE RFC822.SIZE UID FLAGS 
INTERNALDATE)

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: p21c OK FETCH completed.

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: 01bc UID FETCH 1:33 (UID FLAGS)

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: * 1 FETCH (UID 1 FLAGS (\Flagged 
\Answered \Seen))
* 2 FETCH (UID 2 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 3 FETCH (UID 3 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 4 FETCH (UID 8 FLAGS ())
* 5 FETCH (UID 9 FLAGS ())
* 6 FETCH (UID 10 FLAGS ())
* 7 FETCH (UID 11 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 8 FETCH (UID 12 FLAGS ())
* 9 FETCH (UID 13 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 10 FETCH (UID 18 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 11 FETCH (UID 28 FLAGS ())
* 12 FETCH (UID 31 FLAGS ())
* 13 FETCH (UID 32 FLAGS (\Seen))
* 14 FETCH (UID 33 FLAGS ())
01bc OK FETCH completed.

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: 7ryc IDLE

084.021.226.211.00143-192.168.000.013.03153: + entering ENHANCED idle mode

192.168.000.013.03153-084.021.226.211.00143: DONE


Hmm... both dumps show 14 messages with the same flags. So, it IS MS OE problem 
after all, right?
If so, can anyone recommend a GOOD IMAP client for WIndows ? T-bird?


--
Regards,
Artem



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