Thanks Dawn,

When asked these questions (and we've asked many to fine out more), he
doesn't speak up. He just stares defiantly. I think he may be
autistic?

T

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Dawn Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tara,
>
> Given the economy, your situation might not be that unusual. I work out of
> several locations in NYC- some public and some private- and I've seen more
> than my share of folks that remind me of RC. Due to the size of most of the
> locations, only regulars might have noticed somewhat odd behaviors or
> appearances. So, I haven't witnessed anyone mention it as a problem yet (a
> matter of time, it seems)
>
> I am certainly not saying it is your problem to deal with given how you have
> tried to handle the matter, but people lie about their employment and
> housing situations. Is there anyone in your space working with or for public
> service organizations? Perhaps they may have some local references to
> suggest. Is there anyone who might be looking for an intern or have a job to
> fill? Maybe he might express interest if he didn't feel singled out and that
> may get him to open up a little more about his situation if he is facing
> personal difficulties.
>
> In terms of safety, you may have to explore issuing keys (or getting
> building management to do so) for a more controlled environment; even if it
> slightly dampens the culture of the space.
>
> I wonder what he would say if he were asked directly why he spends so much
> time at the space in spite of possibly getting arrested and clearly making
> others around him uncomfortable?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dawn
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> So, I thought I'd relay a story...not to freak anyone out or change
>> anything, but just as an experience that others can learn from.
>>
>> For about 6 months, there has been a guy who drops in regularly at
>> Citizen Space for free - almost too regularly at times - and would
>> fall asleep at the communal tables in the back. I thought, "Whatever,
>> no biggie, really," until I got a complaint from my landlord that,
>> when CS wasn't open, he would sit outside of our door or wander around
>> the building for hours. So, the next time I saw him I told him that he
>> isn't allowed to be in the building hanging around when we aren't
>> there. So, that was problem A. But he didn't really listen and we
>> would still find him sleeping outside our door. I must have told him
>> about 10x personally. Then he hadn't come around for a while, so I
>> thought that the issue was done.
>>
>> But no. One day I received an email from Eddie from The Hat Factory
>> asking me if Ryan Cook ever hangs out at Citizen Space and that they
>> had to finally ask him to leave and not come back because he was doing
>> the same thing - sleeping in the building - as well as bringing his
>> clothes and showering there. Eddie and another guy had taken Ryan to
>> lunch to get more information from him and didn't find much out.
>> According to Ryan, he had a job and a place to live. So they said he
>> would have to limit the times he dropped in and no more showering or
>> sleeping there. But he continued, so they finally threatened him with
>> calling the police if he returned.
>>
>> After that point, he stepped up his presence at CS again, this time he
>> had no laptop with him and people in the space (renters and other
>> dropins) were starting to complain about his presence. He would come
>> in, eat stuff from the cupboards, make coffee and leave a mess, then
>> sleep at the table. So, I told him he couldn't come back to CS without
>> his laptop - "This isn't a shelter, it's a workspace." I said. But a
>> couple of nights later, I came into the office to check on a package
>> at around 10:00 pm and, after unlocking the security door, I found him
>> behind it, hanging out. Of course, this freaked me out a bit, but I
>> firmly told him he wasn't allowed to be there, to leave and not come
>> back until he gets a computer.
>>
>> A couple days later, Jonathan, one of the desk renters, found him,
>> again, behind the locked security door and observed a pile of luggage
>> and clothes. This was early in the morning. He instantly left and
>> called me, telling me he didn't want to have to deal with this any
>> longer. I was very angry at that point and went directly over there,
>> but he was gone. Later that day, I caught him in the building again
>> and told him to take his clothes and leave and that I would call the
>> police if he returned. That was last Friday.
>>
>> On Monday, I wasn't at the space, but Arne told me he came in to
>> gather 'some of his things that he had left' at the space. CS is NOT a
>> storage locker. Arne supervised him and walked him out of the
>> building. I thought that was the end of it. But no again.
>>
>> Today, I stopped by CS to check on a package and, lo and behold, he
>> was there again. I totally blew up and told him I was going to call
>> the police and locked myself in the office. The police came by and he
>> was STILL hanging in the building. The officer talked to him, then
>> came and talked with me. I told him the story and the officer told me
>> he would tell Ryan that he would be charged next time he came into the
>> building.
>>
>> I hope this is the end of it. It's driving me nuts. I don't know if
>> he's a physical threat - he hasn't made any threats or moves. However,
>> his continued presence feels like a fear tactic and he makes everyone
>> at CS extremely uneasy...even the big guys.
>>
>> I'm looking for advice here...but also to open up a discussion on
>> whether others have shared this problem and, if so, how have you dealt
>> with it?
>>
>> Tara
>>
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>
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