Despite the fact that I'm always told that reification is not recomanded, I 
decided to "piser contre le vent" :-)

Functionally, the reification is just natural. Proof: the "invention" of .1 
properties in CRM.

Aaa, if the formalisms we have do not handle it well, please invent a suitable 
formalism, my dear friends.

Dan

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Fundația Gellu Naum,
[Institutul Național al Patrimoniului]


-----Original Message-----
From: martin <mar...@ics.forth.gr>
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
List-Post: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 20:09:26 +0200
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling .1 properties

> Dear Simon,
> 
> Our messages crossed, your analysis is correct! We have discussed 
> however, that reification or annotation is not recommended, rather an 
> introduction of a node (class) representing a triary property rather than
> an individual entity. From the existence of an instance of 
> PC14_carried_out_by we can automatically infer
> the instance of P14, as described in the formalization.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> martin
> 
> On 3/2/2016 7:55 μμ, Simon Spero wrote:
> >
> > The first order formalization  given in the crm document are:
> >
> > P14(x,y,z) ⊃ [P14(x,y) ∧ E55(z)]
> >
> > Note that the predicate on the left hand side has three arguments, 
> > which is more arguments than rdf is comfortable with.
> >
> > The "in the role of" property is modifying an instance of a "carried 
> > out by" property.
> > An activity can be carried out by several different agents, each in a 
> > different role, so the property cannot be attached directly to the 
> > activity.
> >
> > There are several possible ways of representing this using semantic 
> > web tools.
> >
> > The first approach is to use RDF reification. I am not going to say 
> > anything more about this.
> >
> > If you are using OWL 2, you can add an annotation each "carried out 
> > by" property assertion.  This is not ideal, as annotations are not 
> > really supposed to be part of the data in the model, and most 
> > reasoners ignore them. They are also not easy to work with in RDF.
> >
> > A third approach is to define your own class for reification, 
> > representing an instance of a "carrying out" ; this class would have 
> > properties relating the activity, the agent, and the role.
> >
> > The best approach may be to define a sub property of P14 for each type 
> > of carrying out in a role which is relevant to your model.
> > You can specify the role associated with all uses of this property 
> > using a property whose subject is the subproperty.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > On Feb 3, 2016 10:01 AM, "Allison Miller" 
> > <allison.mil...@sysemia.co.uk <mailto:allison.mil...@sysemia.co.uk>> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I wish to use the CIDOC CRM but need a formal model to do so and
> >     have a question concerning .1 properties.
> >
> >     eg. E7 Activity has: P14 carried out by (performed): E39 Actor and
> >     (P14.1 in the role of: E55 Type)
> >
> >     It is a property I need to use - but I can’t work out how to model it!
> >
> >     I thought I could use the Erlangen OWL implementation, but I can’t
> >     find these properties in it. (That’s not to claim they aren’t
> >     there, my knowledge of OWL is limited.)
> >
> >     I would welcome any guidance on P14.1, and other .1 properties, in
> >     the Erlangen implementation, or advice on including them in a
> >     definition compatible with Semantic Web technologies if anyone has
> >     done this.
> >
> >     Kind regards,
> >
> >     Alli
> >
> >     E-mail: allison.mil...@sysemia.co.uk
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