Hi Richard, all, In linked.art, we of course ran into this issue too! We ended up going for rdf:value for *all* values in the model for consistency, lacking another way to associate values with Appellations and Linguistic Objects, in particular. For example, see [1]
We discussed using p3_has_note, as a predicate for capturing arbitrary values, but it runs into three major problems out of the gate: - It’s for “informal description that have not been expressed in terms of CRM constructs” and Appellation / Linguistic Object are clearly CRM constructs - It would ambiguous with other uses of P3 without P3.1, and RDF does not allow relationships on relationships. The cost of using reification to express a string is clearly far too expensive for p3 to work. - E90 adds a use of P3 as “The property P3 has note allows for the description of this content model” … rather than the actual value of the resource. What would make us change our minds and use a CRM construct instead of rdf:value? A has_value property that covered Appellations and Linguistic Objects… which would mean that it could be associated with E90 Symbolic Object, with a scope note saying that it is the set of “identifiable symbols” that makes up the resource. Hope that helps! Rob [1] http://linked.art/model/object/identity/#titles From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Richard Light <rich...@light.demon.co.uk> Date: Monday, January 15, 2018 at 3:12 PM To: "crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE Recording an E41 in RDF On 15/01/2018 19:52, Martin Doerr wrote: Right. We have often discussed it, but I am not sure if we have written a guideline, and it is not in the right place, or if we have only exchanged e-mails about it. I put is as an issue, in case its new. The point is that we cannot make rdf label a subproperty of p1. More generally, I would argue that there should be clear guidance on the whole subject of "implementing an RDF instantiation of the CRM". I was very pleased with the guidance for recording dates which we recently worked on, and assumed that was just an outlier which had been missed up to now. If we are seriously expecting implementors to produce RDF solutions which embody the CRM, we must provide them with comprehensive and specific guidance - maybe a range of implementation options. In my understanding of it, the problem areas are mostly at the "sharp end" where the actual data comes in. Best wishes, Richard best, martin On 1/15/2018 6:33 PM, Richard Light wrote: Hi, It's perhaps telling that I even have to ask this question at this stage in the game. I'm not sure how to encode a person's name in RDF in a CRM-compliant manner. It's an E41 Appellation, and is linked to the person by a P1_is_identified_by property, I'm assuming. So far, so good. However, it looks as though I have the choice of not stating that it is an E41, or of connecting the E41 to its string value via a property which is nowhere defined in the CRM: freeukgen:b65432#born a crm:E21_Person; crm:P1_is_identified_by "Light, Thomas Edward" . or: freeukgen:b65432#born a crm:E21_Person; crm:P1_is_identified_by [ a crm:E41_Appellation; {has-string-value} "Light, Thomas Edward" ] . The CRM definition gives strings as examples of E41, which implies that the first form is acceptable. However, my instinct says that it is wrong to finesse the fact that it is an E41 in this way. If the E41 is to be expressed, as in my second form, I would welcome advice as to what the value of "{has-string-value}" should be. Whichever approach is correct, I am struck by the absence of a primer which says, in straightforward terms, "this is how you encode CRM concepts in RDF". If it exists and I have simply missed it, please point me in its direction and I will spread the word ... Best wishes, Richard -- Richard Light _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | | Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr<mailto:mar...@ics.forth.gr> | | Center for Cultural Informatics | Information Systems Laboratory | Institute of Computer Science | Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | | N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | | Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig -- Richard Light
