One more question: Can a wildfire trigger the destruction of a house, or does the burning down of the house form a part of the wildfire event? In other words, is there a difference of nature or is the destruction a continuation of the kinds of processes of the wildfire?
> Am 21.04.2023 um 12:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig > <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>: > > Here's a diff: > > * label: > OLD O13 triggers (is triggered by) > NEW O13 triggered (was triggered by) > (in the examples it was already called "triggered" rather than "triggers") > > * scope note: > Part 1 is unchanged: > This property associates an instance of E5 Event that triggers another > instance of E5 Event with the latter. It identifies the interaction between > events: an event can activate (trigger) other events in a target system that > is in a situation of sustained tension, such as a trap or an unstable > mountain slope giving way to a land slide after a rain or earthquake. > > Part 2: > OLD In that sense the triggering event is interpreted as a cause. However, > the association of the two events is based on their temporal proximity, with > the triggering event ending when the triggered event starts. > > NEW The distinction of the triggering event from the triggered one lies in > their difference of nature: The starting of the triggered event is the result > of an interaction of constituents with the triggering one, but not a > continuation of the kinds of processes of the latter. Therefore the > triggering event must spatiotemporally overlap with the initial time and area > of the triggered event, and the spreading out of the subsequent phenomena > must initiate from this area and time and not from multiple independent areas. > > * FOL: > O13(x,y) ⇒ P182(x,y) removed > > (Domain, range, quantification, examples are unchanged) > > > About the changes: > > Scope note part 2: If there needs to be an interaction of constituents and > thus a spatiotemporal overlap, then I am not sure I understand the 1966 flood > example. There is an overlap between the flood and a book getting wet and an > overlap between a book being wet as a result and the growing of the mould, > but is there an obvious interaction between the flood and the mould beginning > to grow on a book? I am assuming O13 is not meant to be transitive? > > What is the initial time and area of "mould growth on books stored in flooded > library rooms"? Is it obvious that this area is connected and not multiple > independent areas? > > FOL / superproperties: The new scope note suggests P132 "spatiotemporally > overlaps with", as well as P176 "starts before the start of" (also suggested > by Thanasis) and P173i "ends after or with the start of"? > > Additional questions: > > Scope note part 1: What is the sustained tension in the target system (books > stored in library rooms) in the 1966 flood example? Or in a house that is > destroyed by an earthquake or a wildfire? > > Examples: Since we want to get rid of fictitious examples, would it make > sense to replace the earthquake/landslide example? Non-fictitious examples > would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_California#2018_fire or > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_Things_Go (an artistic cascade of > triggering events) > > Best, > Wolfgang > > >> Am 20.04.2023 um 14:01 schrieb Martin Doerr via Crm-sig >> <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Here my first go: >> >> OLD >> >> O13 triggers (is triggered by) >> >> Domain: >> E5 Event >> Range: >> E5 Event >> Quantification: >> many to many (0,n:0,n) >> >> Scope note: >> This property associates an instance of E5 Event that triggers another >> instance of E5 Event with the latter. It identifies the interaction between >> events: an event can activate (trigger) other events in a target system that >> is in a situation of sustained tension, such as a trap or an unstable >> mountain slope giving way to a land slide after a rain or earthquake. In >> that sense the triggering event is interpreted as a cause. However, the >> association of the two events is based on their temporal proximity, with the >> triggering event ending when the triggered event starts. >> >> Examples: >> The earthquake of Parnitha in 1999 triggered the rotational landslide that >> was observed along the road on the same day. (fictitious) >> The explosion at the Montserrat massif in 2007 (near Barcelona, Spain) >> triggered the rock fall event happened on 14 February 2007 (Vilajosana et >> al., 2008). >> The 1966 flood in Florence triggered mould growth on books stored in >> flooded library rooms (Rubinstein, N., 1966) >> In First Order Logic: >> O13(x,y) ⇒ E5(x) >> O13(x,y) ⇒ E5(y) >> O13(x,y) ⇒ P182(x,y) >> >> NEW >> >> O13 triggered (was triggered by) >> >> Domain: >> E5 Event >> Range: >> E5 Event >> Quantification: >> many to many (0,n:0,n) >> >> Scope note: >> This property associates an instance of E5 Event that triggers another >> instance of E5 Event with the latter. It identifies the interaction between >> events: an event can activate (trigger) other events in a target system that >> is in a situation of sustained tension, such as a trap or an unstable >> mountain slope giving way to a land slide after a rain or earthquake. >> >> The distinction of the triggering event from the triggered one lies in their >> difference of nature: The starting of the triggered event is the result of >> an interaction of constituents with the triggering one, but not a >> continuation of the kinds of processes of the latter. Therefore the >> triggering event must spatiotemporally overlap with the initial time and >> area of the triggered event, and the spreading out of the subsequent >> phenomena must initiate from this area and time and not from multiple >> independent areas. >> >> Examples: >> The earthquake of Parnitha in 1999 triggered the rotational landslide that >> was observed along the road on the same day. (fictitious) >> The explosion at the Montserrat massif in 2007 (near Barcelona, Spain) >> triggered the rock fall event happened on 14 February 2007 (Vilajosana et >> al., 2008). >> The 1966 flood in Florence triggered mould growth on books stored in >> flooded library rooms (Rubinstein, N., 1966) >> In First Order Logic: >> O13(x,y) ⇒ E5(x) >> O13(x,y) ⇒ E5(y) >> >> Best, >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------ >> Dr. Martin Doerr >> >> Honorary Head of the >> >> Center for Cultural Informatics >> >> Information Systems Laboratory >> Institute of Computer Science >> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >> >> N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, >> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece >> >> Vox:+30(2810)391625 >> Email: >> mar...@ics.forth.gr >> >> Web-site: >> http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
