Bob, I don't have time right now to respond to everything; however, I would ask: How does the second "marker" match up against Jesus praying in the Garden prior to his death. There seems to be some uncertainty within the prayer, even if he trusts that the will of God will be done. On Sep 2, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Robert Johnson wrote:
> I am interested in what you say here: > > I have considered that God may merely plant thoughts or concepts > into the mind of a person if he wishes them to speak it aloud and, if > they are aware the "message" was given by God, they may speak it > through a mental filter of their impression of God. > > Could you please develop the thought a bit more? I'm toying around > with the idea that all false beliefs come from Satan and all true > beliefs come from God -- and that rationality and certainty are the > key weapons or tests to knowing God's voice and sifting it from the > voice of Satan. A couple questions: If the Holy Spirit was given to > us to teach us and to guide us into all truth, then is there any > true thought that enters our mind that isn't validated by the Holy > Spirit? If so, each true thought is the product of the voice of God. > > Now, just how does one know that something is true? This is a > difficult question, but I think that true beliefs have two markers > that we can experience: first, they are rational -- that is, we can > provide a compelling case on their behalf; and second, we are > certain of them -- there's not a hint of doubt that they are true > (as Locke put it, they have a 'luminous glow'). > > So accordingly, each true belief that one sees as true is validated > by the Holy Spirit, who "will guide you into all truth" (John > 16:13). Once one ratchets down the truth with certainty and > rationality, knowing that all truth is brought to us by the Holy > Spirit, one can legitimately say that "God has spoken to me". > > Bobby > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:24 PM, D C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, Darrin, that's exactly what I'm saying. > > On Aug 31, 10:35 pm, Darrin M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are you saying that basically you have a problem with, say, Joe Blow > > from Podunk, Oklahoma having a vision of God and telling the world > > what happened by saying, "Thine Lord sayeth to me to come hither > > and.....etc"? If that's your point then yes, I agree totally that > > they are probably putting on a show. If anything, you'd think it > > would come to you in Aramic or Greek. But since I feel God > > communicates to us in ways that we can understand, I'd bet God would > > use something other than Medieval dialect. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Crosspointe Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crosspointe-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
