> That's great and all but you didn't answer my question. To me this > is the same problem that we had without CSS. We used tables and > other means to get the designs that we wanted. This is how I > interpret what you just told me. We have carefully thought and put > together 12 standard t-shirts. They are great t-shirts and everyone > on the planet has to pick out of that 12 because we studied what it > takes to be a t-shirt and feel that the 12 we have chosen are > awesome. The point is to empower designers not to put them in a box. > And as much as you try you can't take css and make a font look like > another, you just don't have that much control.
True it is the same problem: You seem to still want to control what the visitor sees, and this is not what web design is about IMHO. The power of the web is its diversity, you can pick from dozens of different user agents and hundreds of user agent/operating system/ability constellations. The whole font debate IMHO is none: Use your font and use others as fallbacks, ending with a generic font name and the visitors who have the fancy font will see it, others won't but can still read your site. If you want to force a certain font or you want to use a licensed font, use Flash. Web design is about styling and providing content not about providing style and adding some content. Your T-shirt example does not apply. Even if there were only 12 Tshirts people would spray them, tiedye them or sew own stuff on them. But it is the people's choice what to do with them. A Tshirt - like any physical product - has a fixed state at the time you hand it over to the buyer, a web site doesn't as it depends on the user agent and the other technical bits and bobs on the visitor's end, and you cannot guess or determine what that is. If you create a movie that only works on 16x9 or needs colour you cannot stop people from watching it on a TV in 4x3 or black and white. As a music artist you cannot expect people to listen to your songs on high-end playback equipment with headphones instead of a dingy car stereo with one broken speaker. If you feel not empowered enough as a designer have a look into usability or information architecure - a lot to research, test and learn there, but I don't see many people crying for more real data on these matters - instead we work on assumptions most of the time. And that results in web products that annoy rather than offer an enjoyable experience. Or see the diversity of the web as a challenge instead of demanding the CSS specs to change (which is pretty pointless as browser vendors tend to support them with a slight delay of 2-8 years and then it needs users to upgrade). Can you create a design that can work with different screen sizes, font sizes and content in several languages and text encodings? my $,02, chris -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
