Well, I've fixed my problem for the most part. I simply used the trick where absolutely positioned elements have more than one vertical property set (which doesn't work in IE, but we're operating on a Firefox/Safari only assumption).
So we've set the top to 2em, the bottom to 0, the left to 0 and left the right as auto, with the width defined as 200px, and now I get all the niceties of the design. It's a hack, but it works exactly to spec. Hope it helps someone else at some point, Kit ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/