@David: Javascript can improve the semantic-correctness of a site. There are many CSS design patterns that use divs and spans as 'hooks' to apply CSS. These divs and spans don't serve any semantic purpose. Using Javascript to add these extra divs keeps the HTML clean and semantic.
~Chetan On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Chetan Crasta <chetancra...@gmail.com> wrote: > @David: I think it is established, with reasonable accuracy, that a > very small percentage (~1%) of surfers block Javascript. If somebody > wants to make sure that their site looks absolutely perfect to the 12 > people that surf using Internet Explorer 6 with a Javascript blocking > proxy wearing tin-foil hats, that's their choice -- hats off to them. > > As for me, I believe my energy is better spent making my webpages work > well for 99% of my sites visitors. > > ~Chetan > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:01 PM, david <gn...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >> Chetan Crasta wrote: >> >>> Javascript can considerably improve the aesthetics, >> >> Not for a site that's properly-designed in the first place. >> >>> usability >> >> That is one point where JS can provide functionality. >> >>> and semantics of a site, >> >> JS should have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEMANTICS of a site. That should be in >> the HTML where it belongs, NOT IN JS. >> >>> so it would be a pity if one disables it just to >>> avoid the odd bad apple. >> >> There's a hell of a lot of "bad apples" out there - tons of malicious sites, >> scammers even cracking into supposedly-trustworthy services like akamai.net >> and planting attacks. So it's not the "odd bad apple." >> >>> I never had to disable Javascript because good content is found on >>> well-designed sites. The sites with the ugly Javascript are the ones >>> that I wouldn't visit more than once, with or without Javascript. >> >> I've been on a number of sites where I had to disable their CSS so I could >> read their content. Sadly, a number of those sites were the home pages of >> web design firms! >> >>> ~Chetan >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Christie Mason <cma...@managersforum.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Chetan Crasta "About 1% of Yahoo's visitors had Javascript disabled >>>> (2% for Yahoo USA) " >>>> >>>> [-CM-] % of Yahoo visitors disabling js canNOT be used to extrapolate % >>>> of >>>> all web users disabling js. I haven't visited Yahoo in years and I'm >>>> sure >>>> that's true of a large % of web users. I also suspect that the type of >>>> visitor who would disable js is not the type of visitor that is attracted >>>> to >>>> Yahoo. Then there's information buried in the comments at >>>> >>>> http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2010/10/how-many-users-have-javas >>>> cript-disabled/ that Yahoo redirects mobile users to a different page, >>>> so >>>> that also skews the results. Within my group of contacts, about 30% >>>> block >>>> JavaScript all the time, probably another 10%+ block js some of the time. >>>> >>>> You'd have to dig into what % of your target market is also Yahoo >>>> visitors >>>> and only if that is a large percentage should Yahoo visitors be used an >>>> indicator for % of your site's visitors will have js disabled. Web >>>> visitors are not homogeneous. >>>> >>>> But that's not all you should consider. Nothing on the web stays the >>>> same. >>>> All it will take is another widespread js security problem then % of >>>> visitors disabling js would increase. Or maybe another popular mobile >>>> device will ship with js disabled as default, or a browser with js >>>> disabled >>>> as a default, or who knows? >>>> >>>> Christie Mason >> >> -- >> David >> gn...@hawaii.rr.com >> authenticity, honesty, community >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] >> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d >> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ >> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html >> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> > ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
