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nurev wrote:

>  You shouldn't and neither should I. Do I have health insurance or do I get you to
> pay for my stupidity by going to the emergency room?

Can't you see that what you are attacking is socialism?  How, pray tell, do you get me
to pay for your emergency room, unless you elect some thugs to extort my money to pay
it?

> If I do have health insurance, do your rates go up because I felt like sticking
> pine cones in my ears?

Nope... Because if the govm't didn't require insurance companies to NOT discriminate,
and offer policies to fools as well as the wise, I would buy my insurance from a
company that plainly said, "We do not pay for the consequences of fools who sholve pine
cones into body cavities."  My insurance would be cheaper, nor more expensive.

> What do you mean " eventually?" What if your wife and children were in one of
> those cars and crashed and died?

Why, becuase you were shoving pine cones while driving?  If so, then you should be
assigned to a penal colony for the rest of your natural life....

> Is that worth YOUR philosophy of freedom?

Yes it is... Where there is freedom, there is risk.  I'll take the risks that go with
freedom.  The difference is, I am willing to pay the consequences, and you want someone
else to pay.

> If YOUR freedom means putting others at serious risk of life or limb, then you will
> just have to do with less freedom.

I will?  And I suppose that you and people like you will "see to it" that I "do with
less freedom."  Those who willingly and recklessly place other people at serious risk
should be punished severely... If the punishment were swift enough, and severe enough,
fewer people would shove pine cones while driving.

> I care about your family more than I care about your freedom. Do you?

Give me a break!  Please... DON'T care for my family.... You have no obligation to do
so, and I would appreciate it if you would mind your own business.

> This is pleasant theoretical bullshit, but if we know that 50% of pine cone jammers
> throw rocks at cars and wind up hurting people, then it would only be wise to preempt
> that behavior to save lives.

No sir... It would be wise to throw everyone who does so into the penal colony with a
hoe and a sack of seed.

> If that means it's harder for you to indulge in such behavior, so be it. You lose. We
> all win. If you can't live with this, then get yourself a little homestead in the
> mountains and do what ever the hell you want.

That is what it aways boils down to with "your kind of folks" isn't it?  "If you don't
do what we say, you cannot live with us... go somewhere else."  Suppose we just round
you and your guys up and "send you someplace else?"  But I have a better idea....
Suppose we just make you pay your own way?  In which case you would either wise up or
starve to death, and frankly, I'm not sure which I would prefer.

> > Or rather, YOU and a group of others who agree with you?
>
> What others?

The "party" or the "gang" you collect about you, or who more likely collected you about
them, and voted your thugs into office to tell the rest of us how we must behave.

> It's not possible to outlaw greed. But you don't need to be lavishly rewarded for it.

I tell you what.... You just don't contribute to how lavishly or how niggardly I am
rewarded.. That way, you won't have a complaint either way... Right?  In short, why not
just mind your own business and leave the rest of us to our own devices, and the
rewards or tragedies that result from them?  You pay your way, and I'll pay mine.. and
you can contribute to whoever else you feel is deserving... Just don't force my
participation.  It doesn't seem all that difficult a concept to me.

> Not freedom and liberty. I fear ideological theories that have no basis in  reality.
> >
> > Then why do you embrace them so?
>
> No basis in reality eh? How come all organized societies are more like my
> concept than yours?

Because men love evil rather than good... Because more people are lazy than
industrious.... Because more people are beggers rather than producers ... Because given
the option, more people would require me to be responsible for them rather than being
responsible for themselves... That's just for starters... The list goes on.

> > Please, Sir, find a kind master for yourself and leave  the rest of us alone.
>
> I'll be glad to leave you alone. Until you sell tobacco,

I don't sell it.. I buy it...

> crack, heroin, defective toys, poisoned food, polluting cars, endangered species,
> hate speech, and other sundries.

You're a real piece of art.... I thought you were serious there for a while... Yep, you
had me going... I admit... Now I see you were just joking all along.

> If you don't like it leave. You are not going to get your way because it's impossible
> to run a large society on such idotic ideology.

There you go again.... "If you don't do as I say, you must leave."  But, my egotistical
and lunatic friend... There is another option...

> You may need to start your own.

That's right!  You guessed it.

Hawk

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