-Caveat Lector-
My, my getting testy aren't we.
In a message dated 1/14/99 11:58:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> Gee, hypocrite hawk, how come we are not still doing this today? Taking
slaves
>> in warfare? I mean the Bible says we can; sez H. Hawk.
>
>We, who? I'm not, for one reason, because I'm not fighting any wars at this
>time... Maybe later.
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Well, let us see, hawk didn't answer this question. Just some 'cute' words.
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>
>> So a slave has his personal sovereignty? I would submit that his personal
>> sovereignty has been stolen. You just continue to show yourself to be an
>> ignorant hypocrite.
>
>And you continue to show yourself the equivalent of a gradeschool fool... I
think
>whatever you are doing, you are needed somewhere as the village idiot.
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Again, hawk has not answered any question or dealt with the issue at hand but
has resorted to name calling and more 'cute' answers. I submit again, does a
slave have personal sovereignty?
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>
>> Did Jesus have long hair?
>
>I don't know...
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Hawk can you please tell me what rules are valid in the Old Testament and
which aren't?
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>Hawk
In a message dated 1/14/99 11:55:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> You sir are still a hypocrite and you are not a follower of Jesus AKA The
>> Christ.
>
>You don't know what you're talking about..... as usual.
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What is it, that do I not know what I am talking about, sir?
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>
>> Who wrote Corinthians?
>> Paul/Saul the persecuter and Roman stooge.
>
>"All scripture is inspired by God, and is profitable...."
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So is the Bible infallible and inerrant?
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>
>> Do unto others as you would have them to do you.
>
>I usually try to follow this... Do you? If so, then you should love being
called
>a hypocrite and a liar.
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So, how come you do not wish to be a slaveholder nor slave, and allow for
institution of slavery to be "blessed' by G*d.
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>
>> What day do you keep as the sabbath?
>
>None of your business.
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Fraid to show your true colours?
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>Hawk
In a message dated 1/15/99 12:01:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> Gee, You are pretty crafty with your answers there. Gosh , I just don't
know
>> but like I say you are a hypocrite coward still in the pocket of a corrupt
>> government and military.
>
>Oh, now I'm a hypocrite AND a coward... sure... And still in the pocket of a
>currpt government -- no, but my earnings are surely in their pockets... as
for
>the
>military, I haven't been associated with them for more years than you've been
>conscious... but then, that isn't saying much.
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Gee, thanks for the personal attack. You must really be old.
Yes, you are a coward and ignorant. A coward for not informing us citizens of
the illegal actions you and our government have taken. Stand-up and be a man.
And ignorant for working for the military and particpating in unconstituional
actions.
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>> Ignorant also.
>
>Yes... I am ignorant of many things... But, on the other hand, you are
stupid.
>
>Hawk
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Again thanks for the personal attack. Ignorance is lacking knowledege or
understanding. To call someone stupid is to say they are very mentally slow in
mind.
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In a message dated 1/15/99 12:09:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>However, there is only ONE correct interpretation of any written passage...
and
>that is what the writer had in mind when he wrote it... The trick is to
determine
>what that was... and this is best done by following rules of hermaneutics (a
field
>of study of which you admit you have no experience).
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Well, I guess, we can call him Pope Hawk, cause he is infallable and knows the
ONE CORRECT INTERPRETATION. Gee, I wonder if there is any disagrement among
hermaeuticians? What a chauvanist.
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In a message dated 1/15/99 12:45:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> Carlene, you need to realize something. RoadsEnd, otherwise known as Kris
>> Milligan IS THE LIST OWNER and chief moderator/editor, therefore he can do
>> anything he wants. Additionally do you think he is going to sit idly by
while
>> people make ridiculous statements in support of slavery using the Bible for
>> justification?
>
>You, Sir, are an ignorant son-of-a-bitch... I issue the same challenge to you
that
>I issued to dumb-ass... You show me ONE statement I made "in support of
slavery."
>Then, while you're at it, show me ONE biblical passage that condemns slavery.
>You
>cannot do it, and yet you add your stupid remarks to those of Kris... I keep
>asking him, and now I challenge you... Show me just one biblical passage that
says
>slavery is immoral... AND show me just one place where I have supported
slavery
>or
>said I was advocate slavery.
Again, I am sure we all appreciate your level of discourse and your personal
attack upon people and their mothers.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. "
Hhawk sez: "I would have to reject slavery, either an an owner or a slave. But
as a Christian, I cannot condemn it."
Not condemning it, is supporting it.
>
>> Kris is merely calling the kettle black and asking him to answer his
legitimate
>> questions.
>
>Damn! You're stupid! What Kris has been doing, and what you are applauding
is
>dumb-ass Kris's continually calling me a hypocrite and a liar, but never ONCE
>producing evidence of a lie or any inconsistency with what I say and what I
>practice. On the other hand, I have patiently answere EVERY question the
dumb-ass
>has asked... Take up the challenge... show me otherwise.
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Why are you cursing a human? Thanks, again for the personal attacks. I have
never once called you a liar, sir. And you have not answered every question.
I believe the problem, sir, is that you are ignorant of what a hypocrite is.
Your reasonings are very inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus the Nazerite
AKA The Christ.
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>Hawk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I thought this issue was satisfactorily addressed, why is it that you are
>>having a hard time with it? Calling someone a hypocrite when they are one
is
>> not name calling it is merely telling it like it is.
>The issue has not been addressed AT ALL, much less "satisfactorily." Calling
>someone a hypocrite WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE is nothing by juvenile
>name-calling.... and hasn't a damn thing to do with 'telling it like it is.'
>However, I'm glad you jumped in here Teo10 or whatever... YOU point out the
>inconsistency between what I say and what I do... Ball's in your court...
jump on
>it..
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What evidence does one need but your pathetic attempts to show that G*d and
'Holy' scripture sanction and give blessings to the institution of slavery.
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>> Discussion of the Bible WHEN IT IS USED TO PROSELYTIZE, OR ARGUE BELIEFS,
AND OR
>> FAITH IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST.
>Then maybe you should remind your pal Kris of this rule... I certainly have
not
>violated it.. If so, show me where I used the bible to proseliytize... nor
have I
>urged anyone to believe it.. What I said was that calling something a "sin"
>requires a bit more than mere personal opinion, and that the Southern people
in
>the mid 1800's looked to the bible as their source for determining right and
>wrong.. If that isn't a fact, then YOU produce evidence to the contrary..
This is
>beginning to sound like a broken record...
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Sir, we live in republic not a theocracy. And because some ignorant people
used the Bible to justify their own deplorable actions does not validate their
interpretations of scripture or sanctify their actions.
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>> Using the Bible in arguing CONSPIRACY THEORY is acceptable, or to try and
>> support ideas that are related to conspiracy theory.
>Have you reminded Kris of this rule? Where is this rule posted? Did you
make it
>up just now?
>> You want to argue religious conspiracy, like how Paul, formerly known as
Saul,
>> becomes the chief proponent of "Christianity" and an Apostle when he never
met
>>the Lord, and worked so much evil against the nascent church, that is okay.
>> You want to argue how Paul's writing contradict those of Jesus on a number
of
>> points, or perhaps how he seemed to have many friends in Rome and may not
have
>> suffered as he would have everyone believe, that is okay too. Arguments
that
>> point out Paul's reliance upon the Mystery religions, such as Mithras and
>> Attis worship for the main forms of religious expression in "Christianity"
>> would also be acceptable.
>Stupid, but anything goes...
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Now that is an intelligent answer.
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>> These are only examples of course, and many others would also have equal
>> validity as things that might require the Bible to support the position.
No
>> proselytizing is allowed, so questions of faith and belief are not
acceptable.
>blah, blah, blah.... give me a break!
> >The reason that Kris is going into the Bible himself is that he is trying
to
> >illustrate the hypocrisy of Hawk in his statements regarding slavery.
>And, I might add, he's doing a piss poor job... He hasn't found a singe
passage or
>verse ... and neither will you... Prove me wrong.
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Do unto other as you would have them do unto.
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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris
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