-Caveat Lector-
Of course, MJ, Bastiat and company cannot be classified as "libertarians."
However, all of them are often used BY libertarians to support their
philosophy...their writings provide excellent snippets and blurbs for
their missives. I can't remember ever hearing anyone mention Lysander
Spooner BEFORE the libertarian movement became popular. But you are NOT a
libertarian. Thanks for the clarification.
Sorry. Your post DOES represent an attack on me (to the person).
You set up the following. Individuals who believe that
governments have the right to collect taxes for social welfare programs
are engaged in an act of theft. ("theft" "rape" "stealing"--strong
pejorative terms). Unstated assumption of your statement:
William agrees with the government's right to collect taxes to be used for
social welfare programs (spending which you disapprove of); therefore
William supports theft.
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Since you quote Bastiat, von Mises, Jefferson, Lysander
> Spooner, Thomas Sowell with frequency, the connection
> with libertarianism is rather obvious, isn't it?
>
> MJ:
> These persons are liberals and possibly libertarians in
> the loose sense but certainly NOT Libertarians.
>
> This does NOT change *my* words into theirs nor is it logically
> acceptable to make attempts at such.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Are you going to tell me that your values and philosophy
> are NOT shaped by libertarian thought?
>
> MJ:
> Actually moreso by 'trial and error', examination, reasoning
> and looking at reality.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Ad hominem? On the contrary, I have the utmost respect for
> your erudition. However, I do question just exactly how
> tolerant you are of individuals who do not share your
> philosophical perspective.
>
>
> ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM
> Argumentum ad Hominem is literally "argument directed at
> the man".
> The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when,
> instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion,
> the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion.
> This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not
> depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
> Examine your statement below: because I disagree with you,
> I am characterized by you as being afraid of "liberty,
> freedom and equality." But you also go further: presumably,
> by way of your own ad hominem attack on me, I am now
> classified as an individual who wants to "rape," "enslave,"
> and benefit from "theft." A rather strong ad hominem attack
> on me!!!!
> MJ:
> Actually, pointing at reality.
> If YOU will read my statement below, you will plainly see that
> the subject of my comment was NOT you (unless of course you are
> trying on shoes for fit).
>
> (snipped for brevity)
> On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
> I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian. I see your use of
> ad hominem and the straw man run deep. I do, however, realize
> most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring
> the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others.
>
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> There are mighty few people who think what they think they
> think. -- Robert Henri
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