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> > Nothing in Sobran's article said that slavery was good or that
> > anyone other than the slaves and slavers had any regard for it.
> > Man's inhumanity to man takes many forms.  Slavery does not
> > appear to be the worst of them.  The ownership of human beings
> > also takes many forms.  Slavery is just the one that can be most
> > clearly observed.  Prudy

Prudy's response suggests that I suggested that some people think
slavery is good.  I didn't say that.  I said that we can't excuse
our own bad behaviour because someone else behaves badly too.  The
point of Sobran's article seemed to be to construct just such an
excuse - "Ah, EuroAmericans aren't so bad, after all it was native
chiefs and Moslem traders who actually did the enslaving." Ah, but
EuroAmericans transported and marketed the slaves, bred and worked
and profited from the slaves, repressed and exploited the slaves -
when they weren't busy repressing/exploiting/slaughtering Indians
and each other and anybody else within reach.

> Prudy is correct here.  The fact is that we are all slaves on one
> level or another.

Ah, virtual slavery.  We are all ANYTHING at SOME level or another.
If you can tell someone else what to do, you're a virtual king or
slavemaster.  If other people can make you do things you don't wish,
you're a virtual slave.  But this isn't the same as real live actual
chattel slavery, where you're bought/sold directly; where immediate
work and obedience are required of you without payment, under pain
of a direct threat of force.  The "wage slave" has many more options
that the chattel slave, is not subject to the same direct physical
coercion.  Don't mistake the virtual for the real.  Beware analogies.

Some other virtual situations: If you pant, you're a virtual dog.
If you loan someone a quarter, you're a virtual banker.  If you
drive too fast, you're a virtual escapee, or a virtual race driver,
or a virtual jet pilot.  If you can get your VCR to tape more than
one show at a time, you're a virtual software engineer.  If you
live in a dreamworld, you're in virtual reality.  Et cetera.

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