-Caveat Lector-
The oft-quoted passages from Romans are somewhat misleading, especially in
English translation. The specific words interpreted as referring to
"generic" homosexuality are *pornoi* and *'arsenokoitai*, translated in the
King James Version as "perverts" and "defilers of themselves with men"
respectively. The difficulty is that, first, *pornos* is a generic term for
prostitute, and if it referred only to male prostitutes that usage was
applicable for a very limited period of time. Second, *'arsenokoites* is a
term that occurs FOR THE FIRST TIME in Romans. EVERY subsequent use of it
(mainly in the Greek Anthology and Patristic writings) refers back to
Romans. Literally translated, it means something like "man-fuckers" (excuse
the crudeness, but it's appropriate). From other, later sources, it appears
that *'arsenokoites* was generally applied to a cross-dressing homosexual
male prostitute, like the famous Brazilian male hookers of today. In a
bizarre twist, it also appears that these "man-fuckers" only DRESSED like
women; when it came to the actual sex act, they were (like their modern
Brazilian counterparts) the active partners. There is no stretch of logic
that can extend criticism of that extremely odd behavior to include loving,
consensual sexual relations between two adults of the same gender. Whatever
arguments may be adduced against homosexuality, this is not one of them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: YnrChyldzWyld [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 9:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, david wrote:
> >I beleive Romans 1: 26-32 covers this subject in more depth than does the
> >quote from Leviticus.
>
> Then why quote Leviticus? If you, or anyone else who feels the Bible
> damns homosexuals, feels so strongly about Leviticus, then why don't you
> follow ALL the Levitical laws? Why pick and choose?
>
>
> >Lesbianism is covered in this passage as well.
>
> Not really. It states that some women 'exchanged natural passions for
> unnatural', but the nature of those 'natural passions' is not explained;
> while it is spelled out that men were 'consumed with passion for one
> another'.
>
> And the bottom line is, this is PAUL writing...we have not one word for
> The Lord Jesus Himself regarding homosexuality....
>
>
> >testament passages regarding both heterosexual and homosexual prostitutes
> at
> >temple shrines where festive worship of other gods took place. The text
> >condemened all such practices.
>
> But what was being condemned was the worshipping of false gods, of which
> ritual prostitution was one element. In the passages where homosexuality
> is prohibited, the original Hebrew refers to ritual prostitution, not a
> private relationship between those of the same sex.
>
> Also mentioned in Romans 1:29-30 are those who are "...filled with all
> manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder,
> strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God,
> insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to
> parents..."
>
> It's interesting that homophobes utilize this passage in Romans to
> justify their own wickedness, evil, malice, strife, malignity,
> haughtiness...and in some cases, murder.
>
>
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