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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
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>Nurev wrote:
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> >cities on the Eastern Mediterranean evolved into Philistia. The
> >Philistines were the enemies of the Jews then and down to this day.
> >Both tribes were warring over the same territory. Down to this
very day.
>
> Not according to the archeological evidence presented in the article --
> before they became Philistines, apparantly Israel and Phoenicia were
> quite cordial with each other...Phoenicia in the beginning apparantly
> acted as an outpost of its neighbor to the south...
The Phoenicians never 'became Philistines' -- the Philistines were
always the enemies of Israel, Judah, and the Phoenician Canaanites.
The Philistines were/are Hamites (as were the Phoenician Canaanites),
but not Semites; they are often said to be of Indo-European ancestry.
........
excerpt from:
'Ph£;nicia' -
http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/12041a.htm
The oldest historical references to Ph£;nicia are found in the Egyptian
inscriptions of the Pharaohs, Aahmes (1587-62 B.C.) and his successors
Thothmes I (1541-16 B.C.), and Thothmes III (1503-1449 B.C.) in which the
Ph£;nicians are called "Dahe" or "Zahi", and "Fenkhu". In the
Tell-el-Amarna letters is found much interesting information concerning
their cities and especially Tyre, famous for her wealth. During all this
period Egyptian suzerainty was more or less effective. Sidon was
gradually
eclipsed by the rising power and wealth of Tyre, against which the
Philistines were powerless, though they constantly attacked the former.
About the year 1250, after conquering Ashdod, Askelon, Ekron, Gaza, and
Gath, they forced the Sidonians to surrender the city of Dor. At
this time
Tyre became foremost in Ph£;nicia and one of the greatest and wealthiest
cities of the Mediterranean region. Its first king was Hiram, the son of
Abi-Baal and contemporary of David and Solomon. His reign lasted
some forty
years, and to his energy Tyre owed much of its renown. He enlarged the
city, surrounding it with massive walls, improved its harbours, and
rebuilt
the temple of Melkarth. He forced the Philistine pirates to retreat, thus
securing prosperity in maritime commerce and caravan trade, and
Ph£;nician
colonization spread along the coast of Asia Minor, Sicily, Greece, and
Africa. He established a commercial alliance with the Hebrews, and his
Ph£;nician artists and craftsmen greatly aided them in building the
temple,
and palaces of Solomon. He quelled the revolt in Utica and established
Ph£;nician supremacy in North Africa where Carthage, the most
important of
all Ph£;nician colonies, was later built.
........
excerpt from:
'Phoenician Government and Politics'
http://phoenicia.org/govern.html
King Hiram's enemies were the Philistines, who kept the Tyrians
and Sidonians from prospering on the sea. They were King David's
first enimies. The latter, by training the Israelite infantry,
especially the bowmen, he proved more than a match for Philistine
and other foes who employed horses and chariots. In addition,
King Hiram made common cause with King David, forming a land and
sea alliance that endured into Solomon's reign. Solomon,
accordingly, inherited a considerable empire, along with a
Phoenician ally of prime importance for naval and merchant-marine
operations.
........
excerpt from:
'History of the Phoenician'
http://phoenicia.org/history.html
At the beginning of the Iron Age, as part of the invasion of the
Sea Peoples (groups from the Greek islands, especially Crete),
the Philistines occupied the coastal area south of Mt. Carmel,
including Dor, Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Gaza. By the eighth century
B.C., however, the material culture of the Phoenicians extended
southward, and Sidon controlled Dor and Joppa during the Persian
period (539-333 B.C). The Achaemenians, an Iranian dynasty under
the leadership of Cyrus II, conquered the area in 538 B.C. Sidon
became a principal coastal city of this empire. The history of
Tyre and Sidon is intertwined (indeed they were only twenty-two
miles [35 km.] apart). Classical tradition suggests that Sidon
was the more powerful at first but by the tenth century B.C. Tyre
dominated. Tyre's kings ruled a stretch of the coast that
included Sidon and often they were referred to as kings of the
Sidonians (1 Kings 16:31).
........
excerpt from:
'The Nations of Ham'
http://www.best.com/~dolphin//cooper/appen2.html
17. Casluhim: The precise whereabouts of their country is uncertain,
although the book of Genesis does record that the Philistines came from
this people. Some cite Crete as their possible place of settlement,
which,
if true, would make the Ethiopic War of Josephus a truly international
conflict, as he records the destruction of the Casluhim in that
war. This,
however, only serves to make Crete a most unlikely place for their
settlement, the northern areas of Egypt being a far more reasonable
proposition (but see 18 and 19 and Map 3). Josephus gives their name as
the Chesloim. (Refs: 1DB 1:541. NBD 201. JA 1.vi.3. P 1:28)
18. Philistim: Better known to us as the Philistines, they were known to
the Assyrians as the Palashtu and the Pilisti, and to the Greeks as he
Palastine--hence the later name of Palestine. After the Assyrian
conquests
of the 8th century BC, the Philistines effectively disappear as a
coherent
nation. It is currently but wrongly believed that the Philistines did not
appear until the 13th century BC, and that they are to be
identified as the
'Sea Peoples' of Egyptian literature. But this view is erroneous. The
Genesis record states emphatically that the Philistim occupied parts of
Canaan as early as the time of Abraham, and far from implying that their
place of origin was Crete, as currently taught, it is much more likely to
have been northern Egypt (but see 19 and Map 3). (Refs: 1DB 3:791-5. NBD
'Philistines' 988-991. JA 1.vi.2. P 1:28)
........
Sketch below from
'The Nations of Ham'
http://www.best.com/~dolphin//cooper/charta2.gif
HAM (16)
|
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Cush (17) Mizraim (26) Put (35) Canaan (36)
| | ---------------
| ----------------------------------------- |
------x-------------------------------------------------- | |
Sebah Havilah Sabta Raamah Sabtecha Nimrod | |
(18) (19) (20) (21) (24) (25) | |
| | |
----------- | |
Sheba Dedan | |
(22) (23) |-------------------- |
------------------------------------------x----------------- |
Ludim Anamim Lehabim Naphtuhim Pathrusim Casluhim Caphtorim |
(27) (28) (29) (30) (31) (32) (34) |
| |
| |
Phillistim |
(33) |
|----------------------------------------
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Zidon Heth Jebusite | Girgashite Hivite | Sinite | Hamathite
| | |
Amorite Arkite Arvadite
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Bill
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