Josh,
You've hurt my feelings now, to think I'm in your tribe too. So we take it
that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available in
the public library, I think we all know why. Perhaps I could find some
better writings on the Talmud, written by Jews. Would that appeal? I
wouldn't want you to think I was only writing the Christian view.
Perhaps the Kaballa? If I send something on that written by Christians would
you say I particularly am deluded?
Ahh if I send something on the Protocols written by a Christian will you
also cut me down?
I'm not particularly looking for Christian writers but bud you are
outnumbered in USA. the chances of finding someone other than a Christian
writer on this is slim. I have never seen a Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu ever
take the trouble to write on these tabu subjects. Yet you particularly enjoy
slandering Christians and Christianity and that's supposed to be Ok tarring
everyone with the same brush.
I posted it because it makes a change from always hearing bad things about
Christianity and I thought it may be valuable to some. I'm not anti Jewish.
Even some Jews don't know what's in the book. Just pick out what you want
and leave the rest, if you don't then you are reduced to not sending stuff
and commenting endlessly and tediously on those people's that do send..Its
getting like a flock of seagulls pouncing on a tidbit to tear a piece for
themselves.
My posts are generating too many arguments. I haven't got time to pander to
people's egos, its just information. I am interested in religious views of
all kinds among other things.Pick on someone yer own size you big bully!
Nicky
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From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 03:07
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Nicky Molloy wrote:
>
> Talmud Exposed
> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm#Talmud Exposed
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> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/natural.htm
>
> Contents:
> The Talmud is Judasim's Holiest Book
> Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud
> Insults Against The Blessed Virgin Mary
> Talmud Attacks Christians
> Christian Book Burning
> Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
> Tales of a Roman Holocaust
> A Revealing Admission
> Pharisiac Rituals
> A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
> Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
> Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
> The Teachings of Maimonides
> Deception and Dissimulation
> Judean-Christian Response to The Talmud
>
> The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book
Wrong! No Jew who ever lived thought that. EVER!
> The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its
> authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism.
Wrong! No Jew in all of history ever thought that.
> Evidence of
> this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My
> son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in
> the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
Total bullshit.
> The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also
be
> seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more
knowledge
> of the Old Testament than the Israelis.
Wrong! The Talmud is only studied by the ultra ortodox. Just about everyone
in
Israel has studied the actual Bible because the Bible is Jewish national
history and part of school studies in the same way we learn about American
history in schools here.
Ethiopian Jews, with very few exceptions, know very little about their
Jewish
roots because they were isolated and forced into conversion to Christianity.
Many knew they were Jews but had little reason to practice their herritage
in the face of their neighbor's oppression. When they got to Israel they
caught up. Today they are full integrated into the general society.
> However, their religion is so
> ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no
> knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
>
> "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the
> Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the
basis
> of modern traditions never came their way."
This is true.
>
> Because they don't traffic in Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopian
Jews
> are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to
perform
> marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
>
> Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential
> rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism
> and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law).
> Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000
> rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
>
> N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the
rabbi's
> authority:
>
> "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic
> scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to
the
> study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological
> Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held
> the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet
crossed
> in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times,
> April 10, 1993, p. 38).
>
> Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the
> basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law. The
rabbi's
> credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. All other
> studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26,
1993
> states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud
> to the exclusion of everything else."
Everything you've read up to this point is wrong. I know this for a FACT
because I am especially familiar the subject.
If you think that you are going to get any sensible information about the
Talmud from an outfit called - biblebelievers.org.au -, then you would be
as deluded as poor Nicky. If you want good info about the subject, there
are many books put out by Catholic and Protestant scholars who actually
know something about the subject at hand.
> The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is
> partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had
> not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions
of
> the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and
Pharisees),
> because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
This is such a ridiculous statement, only a really ignorant bigot could make
it and only really really ignorant bigots believe it. This is like saying
that
christians don't really worship Jesus, but do worship a wafer they eat in
church.
This is the quality of information that consistently gets spewed out by
Nicky. Wrong, stupid, and insane drivel.
Joshua2
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