-Caveat Lector- If you hear any more about the person telling people to stay calm and stay in the building, please post it. Could she have been well-intended and just somebody who thought she would avert panic by doing this? Or do you think something far more sinister? Also, I have been so proud of the behavior of the New Yorkers! New Yorkers, no less! Behaving in a very civilized manner and showing compassion and helping each other. I thought they did not care, etc. and even prided themselves on their bad attitude. Even when they were running as the buildings collapsed and all of the debris was coming right up the street after them, there was no pushing, no shoving and people actually picked up anybody who fell. Compare and contrast that to soccer games where they trample each other to death! And there seems to be order to the search. One man passing out sneakers from his store to those women with no shoes! What is the world coming to? New Yorkers are going to lose their reputation for being nasty! :-) The nine emergency workers found alive is such good news but I want them to hurry because what is someone is in there bleeding, etc. No more expected to be found alive at the Pentagon. ~Amelia~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "RevCOAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 -Caveat Lector- >Generally, yes. But in this case the pilots seem to have had extensive training on flight simulators, so one has to question how they were able to achieve such training, and why the intelligence community dropped the ball on either finding out about this beforehand, or in alerting the populace to avert the tragedy from occuring... >What steps our legislature takes as a result of this will certainly >be interesting and deserving of our close scrutiny. Well Mizz Hillary was interviewed by WCBS-TV out of NYC this morning, and she had a long laundry list of intensified security measures which she said would 'have' to be instituted to keep this from happening again...in a nutshell, she wants to totally throw out the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but is that any surprise? :-( >Has anybody heard an informed speculation of the total? I would >not be at all surprised if it goes as high as 15,000 or even >higher. Will the real total be suppressed to prevent the perps >from feeling such success? I think it would be hard to totally suppress the figures...right now it's hard, because the WTC was so huge, it had such a huge workforce in it, it's going to be hard to find out who's dead. It was very sad last night, WCBS was showing people who had come in from the suburbs to look for loved ones who worked at the WTC. They all had pictures of the missing loved ones, a couple of people had even made up posters to put up that showed a picture of the loved one, stated where they had worked in the WTC, and giving a number to call if anyone had any information on their whereabouts. One woman was looking for her sister, who was attending a conference being held at the top of the first tower to be hit; she said that her sister had called their mother on her cellphone immediately afterwards to let the mother know that she was alright and that they were starting to evacuate and that she would call back once she got out of the building...but they never heard from her again. One has to wonder if she was one of the people who heeded the advice (command?) of the mysterious 'someone' (who in fact may be more than one person) who other eyewitnesses who got out said was stopping people from evacuating and telling them to stay put. I've heard two separate accounts on WCBS now from people who decided to ignore this advice/command and continued evacuating, and that is why they are alive today... June =================================================================== ==== <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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