-Caveat Lector- Irrelant to the question TODAY of people claiming RIGHT OF RETURN and killing and driving away the Palestinians to make that claim. There are better ways to create a new country if you need one.
Kale On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, thew wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > In Germany et al they did not ask Jews if they went to synagogue, or > followed the mosaic laws, before they sent them to the camps - just being > Jewish was enough. > > Israel was founded, primarily so that there was a place for Jews fleeing > from pogroms and slavery and death camps had a place to go, that would not > turn them away and send them back to be killed, and the UK and USA did. > > Israel's requirements for Jews cannot be more stringent than Hitler's were, > or modern angels like the Aryan nationals etc's are today. Good enough to > die in the camps, good enough to emigrate to Israel seems like a sane > policy, if your goal is to give succor to those without another place to > turn. > > on 3/28/02 3:29 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > I always though Golda Meier looked like a "kissing cousin" of Yasser > > Arafat's! And when Golda lamented the 30% self-identified atheists among > > her citizens, she was making a profound statement on the ideological (vs. > > biological-genetic) implications of the Law of Return which is one of > > Israel's Constitutional Documents. Without it there is no validity to a > > nation of Israel. I don't know what the penalty would have been under > > Jacob (Israel) or Moses to identifying oneself as an atheist and > > disavowing the validity of the Creator's leadership of Israel; or, under > > Moses the validity of the Ten Commandments. Perhaps Senator Inouye can > > tell us as he believes this matter of Israel-Palestine is fundamentally > > about the Word of God (or G-d if you prefer). Perhaps the Grovelling > > Grahams, Whitehouse Preachers, can tell us. > > > > In any case, if atheism does not qualify as latter-day Israelites, the > > 1,000,000+ now enjoying the beaches of the Mediterranean at the expense > > of the American public, what about biology-geneology? As the study below > > proves, these atheists have no biological-geneological-genetic claim under > > Law of Return either. The fabled Cohen Y chromosome? Proves nothing in > > this matter. It only proves a distant common ancestor who could be almost > > anyone. Someone with a name that sounds similar to Cohen or Cohn? How > > about Kohar (Edomite, from Esau's nation next door) or later, the Khans > > who inhabited Khazaria and were of Japhethite-Ashkenaz descent according > > to the Bible, and not Shemite. Can anyone prove that ANY person in Israel > > today is more closely related to Jacob than Esau by geneology-genetics and > > therefore gets more credit in this CASE IN INHERITANCE LAW? > > > > What to do with 1,000,000+ atheists of unknown ancestry lounging on > > Mediterranean beaches? Why should the American taxpayers be forced to keep > > them in the style of living to which they have become accustomed? The > > Grovelling Grahams and the congregations of the other Tele-evangelists are > > the only ones who should be paying for this...on a voluntary basis. But > > they have to live somewhere. And these atheists are 'a people' who have > > 'the right to self-determination'. So how about a NATION FOR 1,000,000 > > ATHEISTS carved out of Israel-Palestine and a new sovereign UN member? > > What does The Arab League say to that? > > > > POC > > (Prosemite Operations Centre) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html > > > > Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians > > > > Robin McKie, science editor > > Sunday November 25, 2001 > > The Observer > > > > A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and > > Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a > > leading journal. > > Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have > > been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away. > > > > Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research > > publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it > > may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical > > dogma. > > > > 'I have authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and > > Science, and this has never happened to me before,' said the article's > > lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of > > Complutense University in Madrid. 'I am stunned.' > > > > British geneticist Sir Walter Bodmer added: 'If the journal didn't like the > > paper, they shouldn't have published it in the first place. Why wait until it > > has appeared before acting like this?' > > > > The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New > > York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its > > extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it. The article > > has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have > > been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking > > them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. > > Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board. > > > > Dolly Tyan, president of the American Society of Histocompatibility and > > Immunogenetics, which runs the journal, told subscribers that the society > > is 'offended and embarrassed'. > > > > The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with > > other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in > > immune system genes among people in the Middle East. > > > > In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the > > idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the > > region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are > > a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited. > > > > Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool > > and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the > > authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in > > cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude. > > > > But the journal, having accepted the paper earlier this year, now claims > > the article was politically biased and was written using 'inappropriate' > > remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Its editor told the journal > > Nature last week that she was threatened by mass resignations from > > members if she did not retract the article. > > > > Arnaiz-Villena says he has not seen a single one of the accusations made > > against him, despite being promised the opportunity to look at the letters > > sent to the journal. > > > > He accepts he used terms in the article that laid him open to criticism. > > There is one reference to Jewish 'colonists' living in the Gaza strip, and > > another that refers to Palestinian people living in 'concentration' camps. > > > > 'Perhaps I should have used the words settlers instead of colonists, but > > really, what is the difference?' he said. > > > > 'And clearly, I should have said refugee, not concentration, camps, but > > given that I was referring to settlements outside of Israel - in Syria and > > Lebanon - that scarcely makes me anti-Jewish. 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