On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 06:29:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > On 08/24/2016 02:43 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:20:35PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 08/23/2016 10:46 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:25:00PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > >>>> On 08/23/2016 08:37 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 09:08:19PM +0000, Sean Lynch wrote: > >>>>>> So I guess as far as Juan & garpamp, et al are concerned, these groups > >>>>>> are > >>>>>> also infiltrated by or working on behalf of the NSA, GCHQ, etc? Are > >>>>>> they > >>>>>> about to experience mass disillusionment and exodus as well, just like > >>>>>> all > >>>>>> "non-spook" Tor relays are about to shut down because "everyone" who's > >>>>>> not > >>>>>> a spook is on Rapey Jakey's side? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sean, the above is a seriously offensive statement/question by you. > >> > >> So just what was so offensive? "Rapey Jakey"? I thought that was pretty > >> funny :) > > > > Although it's good to be able to reach a point of being able to laugh > > about 'tough' topics, this phrase, in this context implies "I agree with > > the lynch mob rhetoric". > > I agree that Sean was using the phrase that way. But I can laugh at the > phrase without taking any position on the matter. It's just so fucking > self-satirical. The lynch mob does objectify him as "Rapey Jakey", no? > > > It also condones the linguistic undermine and implicit compromise of > > those who have suffered actual rape, and encourages the social discourse > > in a direction which I personally find offensive and I say fosters an > > environment where actual rape is more likely to be brushed aside with > > "humour", and therefore makes the social environment more dangerous > > generally. > > > > That's a really bad thing. > > No, the behavior of the lynch mob does that. But anyway, I prefer humor > to earnest self-righteousness.
FFS, --either-- which way, a great injustice has been and is being done. Either which way, --we-- are the ultimate targets. All speech speaks politically. No self righteousness, just tears of defeat as evil thrives and folks laugh it off. > > If JA committed rape, which he and others deny, then there -should- (say > > I) be a proper process for his victims to address their grievance. > > Nothing remotely like "addressing genuine grievances" has happened. > > And in this case, using the phrase "Rapey Jakey" at the moment in this > > context, linguistically encourages us to diminish such rape. > > That's too simplistic. What does "rape" mean? I seriously doubt that > Jake held a knife to anyone's throat. He reportedly fucked many people, > often while drunk, stoned, etc. In such dubious circumstances, it may be > impossible to distinguish consensual sex and rape. If both parties are > too out of it to consent, who raped who? Assumptions implied. Meaningful discourse avoided. > > If JA did not rape anyone, then "Rapey Jakey" slanders him personally - > > I don't understand why you find that humorous, but I guess if you guys > > want to laugh about it, that's your right. > > :) And so our 'community' continues to be created.. > > In either case, this use of the word "rapey" is to me offensive and > > really not in our nor anyone's interest. > > I'm worried more about rape accusations in the call-out culture. Meaningful and possibly useful discourse would be a good start. > > Yes it has hit a nerve. > > > > > > And yes, we need to lift our social and societal 'game' - we need to do > > better, by those rightfully accused as well as by those wrongfully > > accused. > > > > > > I am disappointed when we, as a 'community', fail in this way. > > Zenaan Good luck humans.
