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On 09/23/2016 08:04 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > So the US government appears set on complete destruction of > Ukraine. Doesn't even make strategic sense at this point. I guess > unless you're an essentially evil Western oligarch who wants to > carve it up for purchase on the cheap, the people, the Russians, > and the world be damned. In the context of the Cold War, now arriving at the boiling point due to the Bush/Obama Administration's belligerent posture toward Russia, the U.S. annexation of Ukraine via a (literally) Nazi proxy force makes strategic sense: It was a destabilizing military and economic provocation against the Russian Federation, and has been followed by a massive conventional force buildup on Europe's eastern borders, adding pressure to the weight of U.S. controlled strategic nuclear assets that were /already/ present on that border. These deployments must be countered, which ties up Russian military assets and reduces that country's force projection capabilities in North Africa and the Middle East. Russia's continuing support of the ethnic Russian enclave on Ukraine's eastern border also makes strategic sense: It prevents full consolidation of power by the U.S. installed government, prevents routine deployment of East-facing U.S. controlled forces on the Ukraine/Russian border, and provides a potential haven for Ukrainian insurgents working against the government in Kiev. Crimea's value to Russia is self explanatory, and I do not recall hearing anything about the populace turning out to protest the orderly handover of power to Russia in preference to a U.S. sponsored gang of (literal) Nazis. Rather the opposite, and I saw no evidence that the U.S. even /tried/ to retain Crimea. The "USA Number One!" mentality of comfortable Middle Class Amerikans makes sense of a kind: Their continued material prosperity relative to the former Working Class /does/ depend on global terrorism, enforced poverty, mass murder, cities reduced to rubble and refugee columns, etc. as the U.S. war of global economic conquest continues. They deserve to see the same things happen to their own children and families, and if they continue to get their own way they WILL see that - - unless they happen to be closer to ground zero "on the day." Unfortunately, this cheerful little scenario involves dragging those /not/ responsible for all that human misery and heaped, dead burnt bodies down into the same hell. The real conflict here is not West vs. East or even USA vs. The Rest Of The World. It is the human race, vs. its own parasitic ruling class and their faithful servants. The parasites have already lost; if they do not surrender their power voluntarily (impossible), environmental limits enforced by the laws of physics will destroy that power (inevitable). Now the only game in town is about reducing the final body count, which no rational scenario places at less than a couple of billion, and preserving essential long term survival resources for the survivors. And that's where radical populist politics enters the scene. Communication is vitally important in political warfare, and providing the best possible tools to Our Side is the mission that makes "cypherpunk" bullshit worth doing. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX6Y1PAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqARcH/A8/jd4M+piYCDFrI4ngM+e7 Xy7Dy2lMdPe+7YSWsQyko1yW6+91B2Vcy3MFlbCONaAE4/Di9Fnsl2nOZmtdNoOk +0i2JnAojCJPN9CZaqNr44qLXPDZT4RYioaxiUT0SLEaXCnKNyQf61GpqzC1TPF2 SPtYLUJ5FWGhno1HTN5dOAzlEcmeOptUDzBhS1TQQgJ6iTZa5kqv4k3Rwzv/+0zP KEEHcqY6N1hFRU6G4Pt6k0GY481TRxMCwbJfdSlPhvQAk+bK3U1tT0oZx9CpxoRj N7uITjbEszNY2fnYRkxVu9dFSsRUxihMhmn/tjCZZCHSqoeUiRblaX9ll2xEk/M= =Yfej -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----