Hi, On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:39 AM Aurélien Pierre <rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: > > The real question here is : could you get past the change and benefit from it > ? > > I'm biased here, since I developed repetitive strain injury in the wrist at > the early age of 23. So I'm basically trying to improve the efficiency of the > workflow by decreasing as much as possible the number of user interactions on > each picture, especially the mouse interactions. > > If it's only for cropping, it can be fixed. At the end, I think it really > depends on how many hours you spend each week on darktable. Because editing a > whole wedding is definitely not the same as editing a bunch of holidays > pictures, so I guess every user will have a different sensibility to workflow > matters and the occasionnal users will mostly care about the overhead of the > refactoring (having to learn things again) while the regular users will see > it as a long-term investment.
So, how about custom tabs, that can be named freely and where users can add and arrange modules to their liking? The existing arrangement could be shipped as a preset, and other presets could be added easily. Make it configurable instead of trying to figure out what's right for everyone (hint: won't happen) Cheers, Jochen > Le 07/10/2018 à 23:02, Jason Polak a écrit : > > Hi! > > I can certainly see the logic of your idea. I definitely prefer the > current setup, if only because that's what I started with. I think the > only way to see if this is a good idea is to poll users because I am > sure there are some that would like your way and some that prefer the > current way. > > I do have a specific criticism about your approach, though. I think > cropping should come early in the editing process. I care much more > about adjusting the general exposure and crop (composition) before I > could even think about lens correction or noise reduction. This is > doubly so because I take a multi-pass view on editing. I first do some > basic edits of exposure, cropping, and tone curve adjustments to the > shots I think are half-decent, and then promote the best ones to the > next star level. Only with the highest star rating do I even consider > spending time on noise reduction and lens correction as there is not > much point on noise reduction in the bad images. > > Personally, I have found after a couple months it's easy to remember > where all the modules are and changing it would only make it worse for me. > > Jason > > On 2018-10-07 09:06 PM, Aurélien Pierre wrote: > > Hi everyone ! > > I would like to propose a lifting for the UI in the darkroom. > > *Problem** > * > > Currently, the modules are separated in 5 tabs : > > * base > * tones > * colors > * enhancements > * effects > > But : > > * some modules in the color group affect the tones as well (color > zones, color balance) > * some modules in the tone group affect the colors as well (tone > curves) > * what is a "basic" module is rather arbitrary (basic == low-level > signal processing | traditionnal all-purpose features | simple > general settings ?) > * some modules do basically the same thing (local contrast & > equalizer, sharpen & high-pass filter, tonecurve & basecurve) > and yet you find them in different tabs > > *Workflow** > * > > Over 7-8 years using dt, I have converged (and advocated) to the > following systematic workflow : > > /Step 1 : clean and neutralize the picture/ > > 1. normalize the white balance > 2. normalize the exposure to fit the histogram > 3. normalize the contrast and tonemap > 4. clean the noise > 5. correct the lens > 6. recover the saturated highlights > 7. apply a color profile and LUT > > At the end of this step, the image should look as close as possible > to the reality. This step is only aimed at correcting the input > signal to revert the flaws of the sensor technology > > /Step 2 : tone the picture/ > > 1. adjust the local and global contrast to be visually pleasing and > fit the photographer's intentions > 2. adjust the lightness > > This step is the first "artistic" step and is more efficient if the > image has been cleaned before. But this uses the colorbalance to fit > the gamma. > > /Step 3 : grade the picture/ > > 1. adjust the hue to set the atmosphere > 2. adjust the saturation to get natural colors > 3. remap some colors to get better skin or sky tones > > This step is exactly what is done in video post-production. > > /Step 4 : enhance the picture/ > > 1. crop > 2. fix the rotation and the perspective > 3. fix the sharpness (sharpening, high-pass) > 4. correct the skin, spots, stains, sensor dust, etc. (spots and > retouch) > 5. correct the shapes (liquify) > 6. add filters (vignette, frame, watermark). > > This step is more or less what you would do in pixels editors (Gimp, > Photoshop). > > *Proposal* > > I would like to refactor the UI in 4 tabs : > > 1. *correction :* for all the signal-processing and purely technical > modules (mostly, the first in the pixelpipe, working in > camera-relative RGB) : > * *sensor patterns handling :* > o scalepixels > o rotatepixels > o demosaic > o flip > o rawprepare > * *color correction handling :* > o invert > o temperature > o colorout > o colorin > o colorchecker > * *dynamic range handling:* > o exposure > o clipping > o colorreconstruction > o shadhi > o highlights > o profile_gamma > o tonemap > o graduatednd > o dither > * *optics handling :* > o defringe > o hazeremoval > o lens > o cacorrect > * *noise handling :* > o bilateral > o nlmeans > o denoiseprofile > o rawdenoise > o hotpixels > 2. *tones**: *for creative modules affecting lightness and contrast > * *global contrast :* > o tonecurves > o basecurves > o colisa > o levels > * *tone-mapping :* > o zonesystem > o global tonemap > o relight > * *local contrast :* > o atrous > o clahe > o equalizer (legacy) > 3. *colors :* for creative modules affecting lightness and contrast > * *RGB :* > o colorbalance > o channelmixer > * *HSL :* > o colorzones > o splittoning > * *Lab* : > o colorcontrast > o colorcorrection > * *color-mapping :* > o colormapping > o colortransfer > o lowlight > o colorize > * *saturation* : > o vibrance > o velvia > o monochrome > 4. *enhancements :* for creative filters and pixel alteration modules > * *sharpness* : > o sharpen > o highpass > * *shoftness* : > o bloom > o lowpass > * *inpainting* : > o spots > o retouch > * *structure deformation :* > o crop and rotate (what's its IOP name ?) > o liquify > o ashift > * *creative* : > o watermark > o borders > o grain > o vignette > > *Benefits* > > I think that would draw a path, mostly one-directional, to follow during > edits : every tab is a step, you go into the next tab only when you are > finished with the previous one. It would result in less clicking and > browsing and more guidance for new users. It would draw less confusion > as well regarding why some modules of similar functionnality are put > away in separate tabs. > > Thanks for reading ! What do you think ? > > Aurélien. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
