Can you not just be polite though? Do we want the default reply here to be "gruff with loosely associated facts?"
Essentially the question of "what happened to xxx package" was met with a multi paragraph rant about LTS and Ubuntu and whatever. It didn't provide the answer but instead veered off on it's own direction. Not a great way to start the new year, if I'm honest. -m On January 4, 2023 9:57:39 AM PST, "ja...@activimetrics.com" <ja...@activimetrics.com> wrote: >For what its worth, I read Matthias Andree's responses as perfectly >reasonable. Yes the words were not exceedingly polite, but the >gruffness was backed with explanation. I certainly did not read any >ad hominem attacks. > >I was always of the opinion that if you stick with an LTS version of a >distro, you are stuck with *exactly* what the distro decides is worthy >of LTS support. > >Especially in this new world of flatpaks. > >For the record, I run slackware since forever, so building code from >source as a package is something I have to do now and then. I would >never dream of asking the darktable devs to maintain a slackware >SlackBuild, let alone an installable package. > >And when Mr. Volkerding and the inner slackware cabal decide that it >is time to release a new version, one upgrades shortly thereafter. > >Regards, and back to lurking, > >James > >On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 07:43:10AM -0800, Mica Semrick wrote: >> You're making a lot of assumptions here. Seems like you have some deeper >> issue than someone asking a simple question about support. Maybe a break >> from the computer is in order. >> >> Happy new year >> -m >> >> On January 4, 2023 7:33:59 AM PST, Matthias Andree <matthias.and...@gmx.de> >> wrote: >> >Am 04.01.23 um 15:58 schrieb Mica Semrick: >> >> This answer is a bit rude and doesn't answer the original query. >> > >> >It may be rude if you consider "who cares" rude, and prevents people >> >from wasting their time while pointing out the actual issue, which is >> >"old distro" which is too old to build darktable 4.2. >> > >> >> There is an unmet dependency in Ubuntu 20.04 and the latest release >> >> can no longer be built. See >> >> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/what-happened-with-the-obs-builds/33588/2?u=darix >> >> for >> >> more information. >> > >> >Thanks for mass-confirming what I was writing. >> > >> >And scared users in that thread posted in November 2022, 7 months after >> >release, that they still considered Ubuntu "new", when 22.04.1 was out >> >and from-LTS-to-next-LTS upgrades had been enabled. Exactly the kind of >> >support open-source maintainers want to be distracted with. I haven't >> >even looked whether the OBS people are the same as the darktable people, >> >but you'd think it best to move things forward rather than tying them up >> >in the past. >> > >> >The thing is you can't have the cake and eat it, so everyone please stop >> >pretending they could. >> > >> >Ubuntu 20.04 (code-named focal fossa) shipped darktable 3.0, and >> >darktable being in the "universe" community-unmaintained package set... >> >being stuck with older darktable is a choice that people made by NOT >> >upgrading their Ubuntu LTS in the past three months. >> >https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&searchon=names&keywords=darktable >> > >> >And it's also either you choose a Ubuntu LTS distro and live with >> >whatever unmaintained ("universe") package came with it, and be stuck >> >with it, or you pick something that installs an app and all its distro >> >deps redundantly in a distro (snap or flatpack, if available) with all >> >the drawbacks of its isolation and bulk, or you need to move to a distro >> >that is up to speed if your interest is "new software" and integrates >> >such quickly. Rolling or frequent releases and distros exist, but that's >> >not Ubuntu LTS, and possibly no Debian-based distro at all. >> > >> >Having said that, Fedora 37 or FreeBSD 13.1 built darktable 4.2 nicely >> >for me. >> > >> >I wonder why all the world can expect everyone to maintain every new >> >package for their museum piece of desktop distro install and NOT be >> >considered rude. Expecting someone to maintain software or packages >> >thereof for older distros, on a voluntary basis, free of charge, is what >> >I consider egoistic and rude. It is an enormous waste of resources. >> > >> > >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> >darktable developer mailing list >> >to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable developer mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > >-- > >James E. Marca >Activimetrics LLC > >___________________________________________________________________________ >darktable developer mailing list >to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
