Hi,

I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent to 
l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.

Cheers,
Alun

On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:52, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:47, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 17:05, denis walker via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ángel
> 
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, 16:36 Ángel González Berdasco via db-wg, 
> <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> On 29-07-2022 02:32 +0200, denis walker wrote:
> > This purpose would cover:
> > -"geofeed:"
> > -"geoloc:"
> > -"language:"
> > -"abuse-c:"
> > -IRT object
> > -use of ROLE objects for contacts for external services like RIPE
> > Atlas
> > 
> >  None of the above list are covered by any of the purposes currently
> > defined in the T&C. We would then have to define somewhere the
> > 'agreed set of external services'.
> 
> 
> FWIW, I think abuse-c and IRT could be covered by:
> 
> - Facilitating coordination between network operators (network problem
> resolution, outage notification etc.)
> 
> since abuse originating from the network can be considered a "network
> problem".
> 
> To me it's the 'could' that is the problem. A clear specific purpose takes 
> the doubt out of many of the interpretations of this generalised purpose. 
> 
> Interestingly, the purpose
> 
> - Providing information about the Registrant and Maintainer of Internet
> number resources when the resources are suspected of being used for
> unlawful activities, to parties who are authorised under the law to
> receive such information. 
> 
> fells short since "the team who actually deals with issues in this
> network" (abuse, noc, etc.) is often neither the Registrant itself nor
> the Maintainer.
> 
> I agree. I made many mistakes writing the original T&C, especially involving 
> the 'maintainer'. These have never been discussed or fixed since. 
> 
> Cheers
> denis 
> Co- chair DB-WG 
> 
> Best regards
> 
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