Charlie -
Thanks for taking the time to look into this. Dave S. --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Charlie Miller <charliemille...@earthlink.net> wrote: > From: Charlie Miller <charliemille...@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: 2/3/68: Request for assistance > To: skull_ro...@yahoo.com, "DeadLists.com" <deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU> > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 2:34 PM > Yes, they are the same. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Sorochty > To: DeadLists.com ; Charlie Miller > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:26 PM > Subject: 2/3/68: Request for assistance > > > > All - > > I have always suspected that one of the 1968 mystery > tapes may just be an incomplete copy of 2/3/68 - or a mix > tape containing part of 2/3/68. The reson I thougth this > was that Bobby flubs the lyrics on The Other One in the > exact same way on both recordings - he sings: > > "It left my mind, crater of a mind..., what the > hey". > > The mystery tape contains It Hurts Me Too. Previously > circulating copies of 2/3/68 did not contain It Hurts Me > Too, but the newest most complete copy does. This makes me > more suspicious these are both the same show. > > Could Charlie or someone else who has audio editing > software put the wave files from both of these sources into > the program and compare them. Don't want to jump to > conclusions, but I'd be willing to bet they are the > same. It would be worth it to compare all the songs as the > mystery tape could be a compilation/mix tape from different > sources. > > Hoping that someone who works on those "matrix" > recordings could know just exactly what to do. > > Here is the mystery tape found in the vault that needs to > be compared to 2/3/68: > > Band Grateful Dead > > Venue Unknown Venue > > Location Unknown, Unknown > > Date ??/??/68 - Monday posters tickets, passes & > laminates > > One Cryptical Envelopment [#1:06] > The Other One > [2:31] > Cryptical Envelopment [3:30] > New Potato > Caboose [8:41] % It Hurts Me Too [#4:05] % Born Cross-Eyed > [3:08#] > > Comments The date and location of this recording are > unknown. There is no Drums after the first Cryptical, the > Other one has the standard lyrics, but Bobby stumbles with > them as on 2/3/68. > > Download Sources SBD -> Master Reel -> Dat (48k) > > Recordings > > Contributors David Sorochty , Michael Goetz > > Caretaker David Sorochty email update > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/21/09, David Sorochty > <skull_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: David Sorochty <skull_ro...@yahoo.com> > > Subject: 2/3/68 preliminary updated entry based on > Charlie Miller submission > > To: "DeadLists.com" > <deadli...@gdead.berkeley.edu>, "Charlie > Miller" <charliemille...@earthlink.net> > > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:12 PM > > Charlie - Thanks for the updated listing and > recording! > > > > DeadLists group - Here is a preliminary copy of the > new > > entry for 2/3/68 based on the newest most complete > copy via > > Charlie Miller. Please reply back with comments, > > corrections, etc. > > > > In the old entry there was a notation of this after > new > > Potato. I'm not hearing it. Can someone else > listen of > > it and tell me just where it is on the new Miller > copy? I > > am refering to: "spoken: "goes to three, > alright? > > ...on four"" > > > > > > > > The new entry: > > > > Band Grateful Dead > > > > Venue Crystal Ballroom > > > > Location Portland, OR > > > > Date 2/3/68 - Saturday posters tickets, passes > & > > laminates > > > > One [59:46] Cryptical Envelopment (1) [#1:43] > > The > > Other One (2) [2:37] > Cryptical Envelopment > [3:12] > > > New Potato Caboose [8:51] ; (3) [0:09] % It Hurts Me > Too > > [#3:56] ; (4) [0:09] ; Born Cross-Eyed [2:35] > > Jam (5) > > [1:46#] % Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (6) > [#15:24] ; > > [0:05] % Dark Star (7) [#5:22] > China Cat > Sunflower > > [3:20] > The Eleven [5:28] > Jam [3:58] > > Feedback > > [1:05#] % > > > > Comments (1) The first few notes of Cryptical are > missing. > > (2) After the first Cryptical, there is no Drums > intro to > > The Other one. This show is the first with the > standard > > Other one lyrics - however, Bobby does flub them a > bit: > > "A Spanish lady comes to me, she lays on me > this rose. > > It rainbow spirals round and round, it trembles and > > explodes. It left my mind, crater of a mind..., what > the > > hey. And the heat came round and busted me for > smiling on a > > cloudy day. I was skipping through the lilly fields, > when I > > came across an empty space. It quivered and > exploded, left a > > bus stop in its place. The bus came by and I got on, > > that's when it all began. There was Cowboy Neal, > at the > > wheel, of a bus to never-ever land". Bob Weir > stated in > > an interview that after they got back from this tour > they > > found out that Neal Cassady had died on this night. > (3) and > > (4) spoken: "thank you". (5) this Jam > sounds like > > a Spanish Jam, but it is rather rough, and it is > Phil > > playing > > the lead part that Jerry would normally play, with > > appropriate drums and organ flourishes. (6) the GMLG > from > > this show sometimes circulates on tapes of 02/02/68 > - it was > > spliced into that show for a GDH broadcast. See > listing for > > 02/02/68. (7) The first few bars of Dark Star are > missing > > and at the end of it, Phil says "Leave the > light on, > > will ya?", then a few more notes, and China Cat > starts. > > Dark Star maps: 0.00 - start, intro, jam, theme ; > 1.31 - > > start verse one ; 2.22 - end verse one, then various > short > > jams, that later appear full blown on the > > "Live/Dead" version ; 4.04 - start verse > two ; > > 4.57 - end verse two ; 5.11 - Phil Lesh says: > "Leave > > the light on, will ya?" ; closing notes; 5.28 - > Dark > > Star ends. The Eleven maps: 0.00 - starts with > Garcia ; 0.16 > > - the eleven, for real ; 0.28 - Lesh joins in ; 0.54 > - > > everyone is doing the eleven ; 2.46 - pre-vocals > theme ; > > 2.57 - start verses ; 3.39 - end verses then jam ; > 5.18 > > Garcia starts a new theme not > > in 11/4 time. The older tapes, DATs, and SHN sets > have a > > different song order and are incomplete. The best > and most > > recently circulating copy, as well as DeadBase XI, > give the > > sequence above and include the It Hurts Me Too > between New > > Potato Caboose and Born Cross-Eyed. > > > > Download Sources Soundboard (just link to this one, > > previous copies are incomplete and have been > superceded): > > > > > "http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-02-03.sbd.miller.97346.sbeok.flac16"; > > > > Recordings 60 SB > > > > Master recording source(s): 1/4inch-4trk Master > > re...@7.5ips > > > > Contributors David Sorochty , Ihor W Slabicky , > David Gans > > , "The Art Of Rock" book p278, Bob Weir, > Gordon > > Sharpless , Adrian M. Johnson , Charlie Miller > > > > Caretaker David Sorochty email update > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: 2/3/68 > > > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:27:02 -0800 > > > From: "Charlie Miller" > > > > > > Here is the correct setlist for 2/3/68 > > > > > > Cryptical > > > > Other One > > > > Cryptical > > > > New Potato Caboose > > > It Hurts Me Too > > > Born Cross Eyed > > > Schoolgirl > > > Dark Star > > > > China Cat > > > > The Eleven
