>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Schoenert <c.schoen...@t-online.de> writes:
Carsten> Was it really needed to give this "wanted" "discussion" a Carsten> specific announcement on DC19? If someone wants to discuss Carsten> these topics they can simple do it by the normal ways we Carsten> have for this. I feel like I ought to step forward and take some of the blame/credit for pushing for the Elephant in the Room BOF to be widely announced. I did not ask for this BOF, but once I became aware that it was going to happen I took a strong position that it should be widely announced. My position when talking to the organizers and DC committee is that if we were going to have the discussion it should be widely announced. There are several things that contributed to that decision. 1) The reasoning behind Social Contract #3 while not directly applicable influenced my thinking. We don't hide problems. 2) Debian is a generally open community. Part of that is making sure that people on all sides of the discussion are aware of the discussion. It makes it easier for those of us who have to think about project opinion and consensus if discussions actually have all their stakeholders present. Especially if a discussion is organized at the last minute, it is more important to announce it more widely. 3) In this specific case, I felt that the announcement was important. People with strong views had made it clear they were going to have the discussion no matter what we did. The question was whether it was going to be narrowly advertized and effectively open only to people who had fairly strong views, or whether it was going to be broader and open to a wider subsection of the project. I did not push for an announcement in an attempt to give any particular position a platform. Instead, I pushed for an announcement so that we had more representative views across the entire community and so people with strong views on both sides were able to see more of the positions in the middle. Also, I honestly do believe this discussion needs to happen. I think that we ended up shutting this down a bit too prematurely after the decision was announce. I think people have not been fully heard on this issue, and I think that is harmful for our community overall. I think the discussion at Debconf was significantly improved by being widely announced among the attendees at the conference.