John is your reply to mine suggesting that Daniels message should be shared? If so you have read much more into it than what I said. I think I must be misunderstanding your point and reading it wrong. I think it may be in reply to his message or even this whole mess but even so I still strongly disagree with what you wrote. Can you clarify your point here for us more?
Thanks, On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:46 AM John D. Hendrickson <johnandsa...@cox.net> wrote: > absolutely rediculous. it's a GPL free source open system > > your supposed to use it in your SPARE time not your business time. > > you are NOT supposed to using it for private development without > funding. perhaps if a proffesor, paid for such things, and have chosen > to do so (ie, GRUB is a good example of that, or "gv" ghost view (orig > and improved) as well). otherwise it is strictly about hobby time. > > (if used for business your totally assume risk, and the world is full of > books and information to tell you that) > > you could accuse "someone" of intently wasting others time by reverse > engineered uploads to cause intentional time/investment losses (ie, > inserting build failures to give others headaches): that's illegal since > the days of Rome. and it's not easy to prove (perhaps intently, perhaps > not). > > you have absolutely no right to complain about "others using your > donated time". zero, none. > > > > usting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I > "know" some of those guys. > > My interest in Debian pEd Dixon wrote: > > Be sure to share Daniels story via social media using the buttons on his > > blog. I hope it wakes up the entire community to what happens when you > > actually do something right around here! https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87 Thanks, > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM Richard Newton <rich123...@gmail.com > > <mailto:rich123...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I agree, shame on those responsible. I have been using Debian for > > almost 15 years and this is the first time I have been ashamed. Add > > my name to the record "of conscientious objection." > > > > RIchard Newton > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Ralph Amissah > > <ralph.amis...@gmail.com <mailto:ralph.amis...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I post not in anger but sadness, I should not let my voice go > > uncounted. > > > > Attached is my note to Daniel of earlier today, before his > > posting of > > "an abrupt end to Debian Live". Debian Live which he said Debian > > should > > have (as a Debian developer) in 2006 and went on to deliver, > rather > > nicely (with (and without) help). > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Ralph Amissah > > <ralph.amis...@gmail.com <mailto:ralph.amis...@gmail.com>> ----- > > > > From: Ralph Amissah <ralph.amis...@gmail.com > > <mailto:ralph.amis...@gmail.com>> > > To: Daniel Baumann > > Subject: outrageous, thievery > > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:44 -0500 > > Message-ID: <20151109142844.GA28261@niu> > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) > > > > Daniel, (already one of the more active Debian Developers then) I > > remember you telling Debian at Debconf 2006, Mexico about how > > "we"[1] > > needed a live-maker within the project. I said then that I > > thought this > > one of the most important projects within Debian (I was > > surprised that > > there was not more interest and effort offered by others at the > > time, > > though there was some, those so keen now did not seem to pay > > attention > > then). Already then it was clear that it would one day be able > > to and > > possibly be the preferred way to do a Debian install... as I > said, > > important. I saw how you contributed to Debian then, and I know > > how you > > have contributed since. Instead of welcoming you and your work, > > there > > seems to have been an effort to isolate you. > > > > Well clearly others have seen the fruits of your labor as a > > threat and > > with envy, and ripe for their plucking! > > > > Outrageous! Disgusting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that > I > > "know" some of those guys. > > > > My interest in Debian proper, dropped with your earlier > > treatment, it > > took away the desire to be a closer part of it. At least that > > took out > > much of any idealized notion of the inner workings of it. And > > there have > > been other moves since. I continue to be amazed by the politics > of > > groups within Debian. This though has the feel of blatant > thievery. > > Chals characterization of a dictatorial coup would seem to be > most > > accurate. > > > > It has no doubt to do with power (perhaps indirectly money is > > involved > > as well), your work & work area being seen as strategically > > important. > > They do it because they can, & justify it whatever which way > > they will. > > > > I am sorry. I feel pretty bruised on your behalf. > > > > We have not spoken in a long while. I hope we have the chance to > > talk in > > happier times. > > > > Greetings. > > Ralph > > > > P.S. We are ok, not much to report. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > [edits: addition of footnote, &; s/picking/plucking/] > > > > Indeed I am a friend of Daniel and primarily a user of Debian (a > > minor > > contributor of a package (sisu[2]) that I wrote that I am happy > > to have in > > Debian). In other circumstances I would consider myself at least > an > > admirer of individuals involved on the other side of this. > > Indeed I (use > > use some of your software daily and) have met a number of you > > over the > > years at a number of Debconfs and have fond memories for example > of > > visits to Cambridge when I lived in the U.K. and of being > > "introduced" > > to Debian by Debian insiders. > > > > Thanks to all who have stood up for Daniel, he is a wonderful, > > generous, > > (and capable) person. And yes, I do think him "wronged" by > "Debian". > > There are others that know him pretty well, who have followed a > > fairly > > long sequence of events who must be outraged as well. > > > > Of course I wish Debian well, but I do not see your "handling" > > of Daniel > > as its finest hour. This will no doubt "blow over" as it must > > ultimately > > for the good of the project, but it sticks in my craw as it no > doubt > > does others, and there should be some record of conscientious > > objection. > > > > Ralph Amissah > > > > [1] to be clear, "we" was Debian. > > [2] http://www.sisudoc.org/ > > > https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=s...@lists.sisudoc.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic communication with its > > contents may contain confidential and/or privileged information. It > > is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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