On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 03:51:14PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> Because of all these sticky problems, without a clear path to proceed if I 
> were personally in the maintainer's shoes I'd probably take the "do nothing" 
> option and release the current "348" version that has the libcelt0-0 codec 
> that has issues but retains compatability with older popular mumble servers.  

The so called "do nothing" option is far simpler than that.
The 348 version fails to build from source and so is undistributable.
Since you insisted on reopening this bug as RC, it, among others, ties my
hands and prevents updating that, and the actual logical conclusion is the
people who preferred "don't ship mumble in wheezy at all" look like getting
their wish now.

If people would rather write long rationalisations about how to pretend
the problem doesn't exist than Do Something to actually solve it and
create a viable future for maintaining this code, than logically, that's
probably even the correct outcome.

To say I'm "a bit disappointed" by that would be an understatement, it
certainly makes a waste of the effort I've put in trying to find some
workable solution - but if nobody else cares enough than to say "just
close your eyes and ship it", then I don't see this being resolved in
any adequate way in the tiny amount of time remaining to do so.

A month ago you might have been able to convince me of anything if I
saw people actually committed to Doing The Work needed to make that a
viable answer.  But all I've seen is people saying "there is no problem
until patches magically appear to fix it", and outright refusing to be
the one who takes any responsibility for the now abandoned code.

Now people are even saying they want other people to do double the work
and take on all the risk, so that they (and innocent others) can be
insecure without being interrupted from busily doing the nothing that
they themselves would rather be doing.

If the obvious answer to that isn't obvious, then I don't know what
else to say.


People I've never heard of are going to need better evidence than some
dismissive handwaving to convince me to ignore the concerns of people
who I very much trust.  When the person who has found more bugs in this
code than anyone else in the world expresses concern, it would be dumb
not to listen to them - when someone who has never even looked at the
code says "I don't see a problem", then ...  well ...
I'm sure you can safely extrapolate from there.





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