Le jeudi 02 janvier 2014 à 14:27 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : > For several years the GNOME Team ignored section 9.7 of Policy, concerning > integration with the MIME handling system. They did this in favor of > implementing the related freedesktop.org on the grounds that the fd.o > standard is technically superior (and less work, since it was already > implemented upstream). [snip] > What struck me in that discussion is that at no point did the GNOME > maintainers raise this issue on debian-devel or debian-policy to ask for > help with this integration problem.
You forgot to mention that the actual bug at hand affected only a small, although quite vocal, number of users – vocal users with a lot of time to spend on debian-devel (and now debian-ctte) being a recurrent issue in Debian nowadays. The maintainer for mime-support had been aware of the problem for more than three years without any change happening. There was a failure of Debian as a whole to have let this part of the policy rot for such a long time, and I’ll admit to my share of responsibility in letting that happen, but certainly not to the whole of it. I still stand on the opinion that, after such a long time, aggressive removal of legacy MIME files was a right course of action. > I'm > merely giving voice to a view widely held among Debian developers who would > in fact be more than happy to contribute to improving GNOME's integration in > Debian, if only they believed this help would be welcomed by the current > package maintainers. Vague, unsubstantiated, false claims. Again. I do not recall the members of the team rejecting the help proposed by other contributors, apart from a handful of people who obviously failed to meet the technical standards to contribute to any Debian package. If there are any developers who would be happy to contribute to GNOME packaging but are afraid their help will be refused, any member of the team will be happy to soothe their fears. We have always been inclusive, since, as a former DPL said, “what can’t you undo?” Anyway, I have serious doubts about your allegation that manpower issues are related to the current team members, unless you want to extend this criticism to most core packaging teams. I might have to remind you that the kernel, glibc, KDE, GNOME, Xfce and Xorg maintainers have all repeatedly and publicly stated their lack of contributors and difficulty to handle bug reports. > I don't think it's a > coincidence that over the past two years, over a quarter of all the issues > decided by the TC have related to GNOME packages. “Over a quarter” being three issues, two of them being the same. And let’s not mention some TC member’s behavior regarding the handling of that one, shall we? > That's nothing more than hostage taking, especially when there would be no > difficulty getting cycles for the integration bugs with GNOME and whatever > init system Debian standardized on... *provided that* the GNOME maintainers > showed themselves open to this work instead of blocking it. From Joss's > reply to my message, it seems altogether too likely that he *would* block > such work. This is not what I wrote. I implied that I would not contribute to it in any way. I know this is the point of view of some other members of the Debian GNOME team, but maybe not all of them. You’d have to ask them individually. Given the general tone of your message, I might have to remind you that I am not the GNOME team, especially since I have not been providing much packaging help during the last months. The reason why I’m the one doing most of the talking is that other people have been so disinterested, demotivated, or even disgusted, by the confrontational tone of any public discussion about GNOME, freedesktop or systemd that they don’t even want to talk about it anymore. Therefore, you should not think I am the most likely person to block such changes or abandon the ship while it is sinking. This kind of attitude is making Debian the fun topic to talk about among upstreams, not the major Linux player we should be. Debian as a whole needs to rethink how it can be more friendly to some important upstream projects, or we will simply stop being the “universal” operating system. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388708242.3098.93.camel@tomoyo
