On Wednesday, January 01, 2014 08:47:13 Josh Triplett wrote: > On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:09:56AM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 20:12:20 Josh Triplett wrote: > > > Steve Langasek wrote: > > > >On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 09:13:52PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > >> So unless the TC wants to remove a great number of packages from the > > > >> archive, you need to take into account the fact that some voluntary > > > >> manpower is required to implement your decision. > > > > > > > > I think the current Debian GNOME team has a not-undeserved reputation > > > > for > > > > being obstructionist with respect to bugfixes that require divergence > > > > from > > > > upstream's stated direction. If the team demonstrated they were open > > > > to > > > > contributions of the kind you described, volunteers to do the work > > > > would > > > > not be hard to come by. > > > > > > That's an impressively high amount of doublespeak packed into a single > > > paragraph, particularly the words "bugfixes", "volunteers", and > > > "contributions". At a minimum, I think you're overstating the situation > > > by refusing to acknowledge that the GNOME team does not consider the > > > changes forced upon them to be "bugfixes". > > > > Responding specifically to this: > > > You (and other members of the TC) disliked GNOME's requirement of > > > NetworkManager, for reasons I still have yet to see explained coherently > > > anywhere. You forced the GNOME team to remove it. I certainly hope > > > you find "volunteers" willing to do that kind of work increasingly hard > > > to come by. > > > > Re: dependency removal -- sort of. The reasoning is explained for the > > most part in the tech-ctte decision for #681834. [1] But just to fully > > make this clear I'll also provide a brief summary of what I think > > happened at the time. > [...snip explanation...] > > I appreciate the explanation, and I'm familiar with the contents of the > decision. I simply see nothing there that should have motivated a > tech-ctte decision, rather than simply a couple of bug reports against > network-manager and an added Conflicts/Breaks or two.
In other words, what you're saying is that not only is there no problem that the GNOME maintainers mandated that I get NetworkManager, which I personally most certainly don't want, but that the tech-ctte should have made a ruling that would have forced users to uninstall wicd too. :-/ Not cool. -- Chris -- Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1638461.R6MUifvfgd@trelane