Holger Levsen <[email protected]> writes: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 01:49:37PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> I both disagree and believe this is irrelevant. I have a bunch of >> machines that do not require non-free firmware (e.g., Talos II, NV41, >> Framework 13", Protectcli VP2440). > > the firmware is embedded in the hardware on these devices. The main > memory of those devices does not initialize without non-free blobs, same > for the main CPU, to name two devices you probably want to use.
We clearly mean different things by "without non-free blobs". I assume you mean "without non-free blobs available anywhere in the hardware"? I mean "without non-free blobs loaded from user-supplied software". Two other entirely reasonable meanings of "without non-free blobs": "without non-free blobs anywhere in the hardware or in any of the hardware used to produce the hardware" or "without non-free blobs loaded from user-supplied software in the hardware or in any of the hardware used to produce the hardware" My point is that this is complex and depends on how far you want to take your arguments. The decision where to stop is subjective and depends on opinions, priorities and available resources. /Simon
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