On 28/04/26 17:08, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote:
Quoting nick black (2026-04-28 10:12:46)Matthias Geiger left as an exercise for the reader:Unfortunately the main devs of both hyprland and omarchy are holding views/values very detrimental to Debian, and the surrounding community does not care to be supporting / tolerating those.it seems very odd to me that we're casting aspersions on an organization for supporting a project which *we package and ship* (and many people, myself included, use). i hardly find that a coherent position. if this is to be some litmus, let's start with removing the software from the debian archives (which, again, please don't; it's my compositor of choice).If we had to make a public statement about why Debian is okay with shipping hyprland I doubt that such a statement would include that we are welcoming those people who want to see some of our members gone or would be fine with harassment and trolling. When Framework was asked about a clarification about *why* they are okay with funding hyprland they could've said that they stand for diversity and respectful interaction and that they do explicitly *not* endorse what some important figures in the hyprland community are known for. But that's not what they did. Instead, they doubled down and explained that they follow the "big tent" approach, meaning that they even invite those people who want to see others out. [1]I don't like Framework for supporting hyprland because of the people behind that software. But I like them even less for then doubling down and even being explicitly welcoming to people who we would very likely and for good reason not tolerate as part of the Debian project. And *that* would be my main argument against Debian collaborating with them. That's what I meant in my other mail when I said:Framework made it very clear that their tent is big enough for even those people who would rather see this world be less diverse.Now this thread has the link to the relevant forum post of theirs. Thanks! cheers, josch [1] https://community.frame.work/t/75986/2
Again, Hyprland isn't the only project that Framework is sponsoring though.From my personal point of view, I like to look at the bigger things from a neutral point of perspective wherever possible by removing all of the drama surrounding something.
From my POV, Framework is also sponsoring projects other than Hyprland that are not as toxic as Hyprland is and have active diversity and inclusion programs [1] [2]. I'd have a problem with Framework too if they were only sponsoring projects that have toxic communities and hate diversity but that doesn't look to be the case here.
You can see the list of sponsorships they've done this year here [3] and they're donating $5000/year to Debian. Believe it or not, we are part of their "big tent" too.
[1] https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships [2] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/dei-mission-and-vision-announcement/28172 [3] https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships -- Regards, Aryan Karamtoth, Debian Maintainer "Sic Parvis Magna" - Sir Francis Drake Homepage: https://spaceports.in IRC: spaciouskarter78 Matrix: @spaciouskarter78:matrix.debian.social GPG Fingerprint: 7A7D 9308 2BD1 9BAF A83B 7E34 FE90 07B8 ED64 0421
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