On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 01:19:01PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Nate Duehr wrote: >
[I think I've managed to snip the bile] > >41 webpages open and you're experiencing problems. Gee, there's a big > >surprise. You're somewhat pushing the bounds of sanity at that point, for > >just about any browser. > >>In the browser window that I open for this country, I have about ten tab > >>bookmarks, and, of those, about 6 web pages automatically refresh. Due to > >>the bodgy way that the ABC presents its news web pages, apart from five > >>news headline web pages refreshing about every minute, each news story > >>web page that is open, also refreshes about every minute. > And, when web browsers do not release unused memory, instead increasing > memory and other resource usage, whenever a web page is opened or > reloaded, cumlative problems occur. Agreed. > >>At present, I have 22 Iceape browser windows open, with however many tabs > >>in total are open, and tsome of those tabs, are subject to automatic > >>refreshing. > > > So, you are telling us that Mozilla is incapable of producing a web > browser that can operate with more than one browser window and more than > one tab open, and that Mozilla is inapable of producing web browsers > that operate within limits of load defined by the developers, whereby, > a limit is reached, and a dialogue box appears, stating "You have > already too many browser windows/tabs open. You need to close some > browser tabs,windows, before opening any more." ? > > Okay. So you say that Mozilla are incompetent software developers. I am > sure they would like for you to tell them that, directly. I've had lots of problems with mozilla browsers, such that I only use iceweasel when I can't get a site to use Konquerer, or: when I access the web browser on my Athlon64 via ssh from my P-II and need lots of tabs open. The P-II only has 64 MB of ram and Konquerer puts its rendering in the xorg server memory on the P-II whereas Iceweasel keeps its memory footprint on the Athlon64 box. I may open 20 tabs or so, comparing the weather across Canada (we do have six time-zones to contend with), or loading up real-estate pages for my wife to view. On dialup, each page may take 5 min to load so I do the hour's work before I bring her into the picture. > > >>On occasion, Iceape has taken above 95% of CPU, and that is when (but not > >>necessarily the only occasions when) it sometimes crashes of its own > >>accord (without me closing "untitled windows"). > >>I have earlier today, with these browser windows and tabs open, > >>encountered the problem with the "untitled windows". > >> > >>I have also encountered the problem on occasions with 10 browser windows > >>open, and with 14 browser windows open, thence with less memory usage, > >>both "by programs" and "by cache". > > When I'm running on my Athlon64 box, I run Konqueror for all sites on which it works (all but MLS.ca's usage agreement). You may want to see if Konqueror can keep up with your tabs usage. > >The kernel should handle cleaning up application memory (or "permanently > >caching" any memory that wasn't de-allocated at the iceweasel/iceape > >crashes. Once cached, if never called for again they'll just sit there > >using some swapfile space. Until that fills, I wouldn't worry about doing > >a full reboot. > > > > Well, it doesn't. That is why I reboot after each mentioned crash. > Because, the system monitor can show that up to 50% of the memory is > still being used with no tasks visible in the taskbar after such a > crash. Seriously? You find that after the iceweasel grabs memory and then crashes that the memory isn't being released? I guess that Mozilla really can't write good software. As to why the kernel can't keep track of the memory and release it when iceweasel crashes, I haven't tested that. I wonder if BSD kernels work better... > As the computer, having gigabytes of RAM, and, swap space that is seldom > used, is not placed under extreme load by the way that I use it, it is > not me that is running the system at extremes. > Even when I have Konqueror loaded up with tabs, my CPU usage is mostly idle, even if I can conspire to use up ram and hit swap. Try Konq. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]