On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 08:43:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:07:44 +0200 > David Fokkema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only requirement (and drawback) is that other people reply to a C-R > > from time to time. If configured friendly, only one time for each new person > > you start mailing. > > But that is a big requirement. Look at my recent message. I've sent mail > out to ~3700 unique addresses in the past couple of years. I boils down to > about 3 new addresses *a day*. If all those people implemented C-R I'd be > answered a new challenge more often now than I would deleting the spam that I > don't choose to look at (IE, the messages SA don't mark as spam) which is on > the order of 2/week and falling.
Friendly configured, in my point of view, means that mailing lists are whitelisted. Or do you mean that you really send mail to 3 'new' persons a day? Or do you send bulk email? I guess I misunderstand you... > Of course this doesn't take into account that during that time I had 6-7 > different active email addresses. So a good portion of those unique addresses > I'd have to respond to several times. Good point. However, if a MUA respects the In-Reply-To header this should be no problem. You can whitelist based on that too, I guess... > Pointing out that I could script the response does not help the case for > C-R. If I can script it, a spammer can script it and the impervious wall Alan > is bragging about is shown to be the house of cards that it is. Well, I am led to believe that most spam doesn't have a valid reply address. So no scripting can help a spammer, unless he wants to deal with his ISP. But, I _do_ wonder what a C-R system would do to those 'urgent business proposal' spam. Are there valid addresses behind those? Otherwise I _really_ don't see the point of this spam. > What's worse is that so far noone's told me how two people using C-R ever > *start* communicating. Person 1 mails person 2. Person 2's C-R sends off a > challenge to Person 1. Person 1's C-R sends off a challenge to Person 2. > Repeat. By sending an e-mail, you automatically whitelist the To: addresses. > > > I myself don't think this is annoying. > > Think on the grand scale. Go look at the number of unique addresses you > send to and imaging hitting reply to all of those. The compare that to the > number of times you delete spam. If the former is not higher than the latter > then you're lucky and should imagine it for people who use email for a bulk of > their communication and where, like me, the difference is almost on the order > of a magnitude. It is just like spam. A little here, a little there isn't > annoying. Several a day is. Then I'm lucky. I send e-mails, and sometimes quite a lot, but only to people that I know. Sometimes to new people, but I could deal with that. But if you are unlucky, I see how C-R can be annoying. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]