On 11/24/2014 12:37 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 25/11/14 03:26, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 11/24/2014 10:52 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>> On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: <snip> > <snipped> >>>> >>>> Do you expect customers to build .deb files for every piece of >>>> software they create? >>> >>> No, I expect the admin to 'try' and do that (e.g. checkinstall) or >>> install the upstream package to the appropriate place where it *will* >>> withstand upgrade. But not everyone follows BP (e.g. ITIL, PCI, and >>> whatever relevant guidelines apply to their use-case). I don't know what >>> your use-case is... >>> >> >> These are system admins who have either started with Unix in the 1980's, >> or people who learned from those sysadmins. Back then you did put stuff >> in /bin and/or /sbin, for instance. And the company is not changing. > > Good luck with that (whoever you really are). The triumph of optimism > over experience will no doubt be one hell of a party. Shame I'll likely > not have an invite. > Historically "Overcome (difficulties) and Adapt (to change)" works for > survivors. >
It is me. But once again you start with the attacks. >> >>>> >>>> It doesn't happen - and is not going to happen. It's much faster >>> >>> Convenience is the antipathy of security? (security also mean reliability). >>> >> >> It is reliable. > > Imagine that I used a time machine to make the same point previously > (whoever you really are). > It is me. But once again you start with the attacks. >> And has been for many years. That's what testing is >> all about. > > Apropos of what? You (whoever you are) shouldn't be running Testing if > you want stability (Stable). I'm unable to conceive of how any minimally > qualified "Veteran UNIX Administrator" doesn't "get that" (though > admittedly I have been accused of lacking imagination). > > Please stop shifting goal posts - you'll not only hurt your back but > also blow your cover. > Who said anything about running testing? Not I. Testing is installing software and ensuring it works correctly. It has nothing to do with a Debian distribution called "testing" (although the reason for the distribution is to perform testing). >> >> And even if they did create .deb files for everything, that would not >> negate the need for testing. > > Agreed - I'm glad you (who ever you are) have finally grasped some of > the basics of the "Debian Way", and also, basic "change control". My > only question is - what is your point? (aside from argument for the sake > of argument). > It is me. But once again you start with the attacks. And I DO understand the "Debian Way". So do my customers. However, they don't make .deb files for the custom software they install. They don't feel a need to. And it's their system - it's their choice. > I am pleased that some to what I've said earlier has helped your > understanding - it somewhat compensates for my time. > > <snipped> > > Yours in Debian solidarity. > > You have helped with nothing. All you've done is dismiss facts and attack because those facts don't meet YOUR requirements. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54737aa6.8050...@gmail.com