On Sunday 18 January 2015 14:12:03 Joe did opine And Gene did reply: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:38:25 -0500 > > Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> wrote: > > Unfortunately, the last 9 debian/ubuntu flavored installs, on 4 > > machines here, have all ran up against Network-Mangler, which > > promptly tore down any attempts I successfully made to get it online. > > . > . > . > . > > > Sorry, but network manager is a sore spot for my local network, and > > will be until such time as it is no longer a daemon that cannot even > > be killed. > > > > This isn't winderz folks, get rid of useless crap please. > > It may not be Windows, but if you have Gnome, it nearly is. How about a > netinstall to Xfce, then if you really, really need some of Gnome, > install it bit by bit and not with the metapackage? It may well be > possible to get just the bits of Gnome that you want, without NM.
I tend to be WM agnostic as long as it can run kmail. > I actually deliberately have NM on my netbook, laptop and boot-anywhere > hard drive, all without Gnome. I use wi-fi, a mobile dongle and > OpenVPN, and it seems to deal with all of them reasonably sensibly, > though I certainly remember a time when it was utterly useless. I do > have DHCP at home, and of course so does everywhere I use the mobile > stuff. > > I don't have NM on my home workstation, which uses that old-fashioned > Ethernet cable stuff. So do I, there is about a 100' piece of cat5 that has been blowing in the wind for a decade, running from the house to the shop building with the cnc machines in it, a small hub there feeds another 75 feet that runs back to the garage. What you call old & slow 100 megabit stuff, it Just Works(TM) Amazingly, it even survived a 112+ mph wind in 2010 that took part of my roof off, all the board fencing down, and took 3, 55 foot 40 YO pines down by breaking them off 8 feet up in the air. But that piece of cat5 is still there, and still working. So how did you kill NM on your workstation? > I don't have Gnome on the workstation either, but > I do have various Gnome bits such as Nautilus. It really should be > possible to avoid NM, but probably not without some effort. Using information that it seems to me, is deliberately withheld from the user. Or I have not learned in 80 years, how to ask the right question.. Thanks Joe. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201501181452.29236.ghesk...@wdtv.com
