On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:52:29 -0500 Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> wrote:
> > So how did you kill NM on your workstation? It was never there. It's a dependency of quite a lot of stuff, notably evolution and ppp, but since I use neither I don't need it. But the Gnome metapackage includes evolution, so if you just ask for 'Gnome', you get NM. This is an unstable installation with systemd deliberately installed early in the process, so it's a bit unusual. As far as I recall: wheezy netinstall with no options selected, so no X, DE, etc. update/upgrade (I didn't bother getting the latest netinstall) dist-upgrade to unstable install systemd plus dependencies install an edited set-selections from a previous unstable The previous unstable had been upgraded with systemd, and had proved to be, well, unstable. So I did a get-selections, trimmed it a bit, and built a new installation as above, with systemd installed early, before most other software. Stability is much better now. > > Using information that it seems to me, is deliberately withheld from > the user. Or I have not learned in 80 years, how to ask the right > question.. > I would try (as I have done for a couple of years) a completely Gnome-less installation (I'm using Xfce as my DE these days), then add the bits that I want, hoping that not too much bloat gets pulled in with them. I like Nautilus and gedit more than the alternatives, and I'm willing to put up with a bit of extra stuff to get them, similarly Konqueror and k3b and one or two other KDE bits. The various metapackages are very useful for beginners, but if there's something a bit objectionable dragged in, then it's best to install just the bits you actually want, and trust apt-get/aptitude to do the right things with them. You should be able to make a minimal installation of Xfce or LXDE and then install kmail, which should hopefully only bring in the minimum necessary library support. If you don't like the DE, you can install another, or just a window manager, then make sure that starts instead of the initial DE. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150118213423.14321...@jresid.jretrading.com