gene heskett composed on 2024-06-04 06:26 (UTC-0400): > This release has been such a disaster for me because the install insists on > installing and configuring orca and brltty w/o asking. I've done 40 some > installs now, trying to stop it from wasting about a second while its > yelling every keystroke at me because it thinks I'm blind. I finally > have orca disabled and the computer is useful. The delays are a pain in > the a$$ but i can do work now. It is not useful when orca is using 90% > of a 6 core I5 yelling at me loud enough to announce and pronounce every > keystroke or mouse motion/click loud enough to wake the neighbors. The > first 23 installs never asked me if I wanted that crap. And if you nuked > the orca executable it would not reboot but hung forever waiting for > orca to start. I have it usable, the installer AFAIAC is broken and I > don't want to have to go through all that again. Until the installer > ASKS me if I want it because it thinks I am blind, I have only one nerve > left and and the suggestion that I do yet another install, is standing > on it. Trying to remove it now, it insists on removing gnome and every > dependency. I just checked again with synaptic, removing either orca or > brltty still wants to destroy the system, Yet all I get when I fuss > about the broken installer is "won't fix, not broken'. You did try simply disabling brltty & speech-dispatcher, right? Their enabler appears not controlled by systemd, but by sysvinit: /etc/init.d/brltty /etc/init.d/speech-dispatcher
Deleting bits of what makes brltty & orca work, or removing their execute bits, might save cpu cycles, e.g. for orca: /etc/xdg/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop /usr/bin/orca /usr/bin/orca-dm-wrapper /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages-orca/orca Maybe having the following at hand would be useful: # apt install -d orca Reading package lists... Done ... After this operation, 83.0 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gsettings-desktop-schemas all 43.0-1 [643 kB] Get:2 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 at-spi2-core amd64 2.46.0-5 [57.3 kB] Get:3 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-atk-1.0 amd64 2.46.0-5 [23.7 kB] Get:4 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-freedesktop amd64 1.74.0-3 [37.2 kB] Get:5 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-atspi-2.0 amd64 2.46.0-5 [20.7 kB] Get:6 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 amd64 2.42.10+dfsg-1+b1 [13.5 kB] Get:7 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 amd64 1.22.0-2 [105 kB] Get:8 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0 amd64 6.0.0+dfsg-3 [1,579 kB] Get:9 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libpangoxft-1.0-0 amd64 1.50.12+ds-1 [26.7 kB] Get:10 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-pango-1.0 amd64 1.50.12+ds-1 [37.4 kB] Get:11 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 amd64 3.24.38-2~deb12u1 [220 kB] Get:12 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libxcb-util1 amd64 0.4.0-1+b1 [23.2 kB] Get:13 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libstartup-notification0 amd64 0.12-6+b1 [23.1 kB] Get:14 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libxres1 amd64 2:1.2.1-1 [19.2 kB] Get:15 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libwnck-3-common all 43.0-3 [229 kB] Get:16 http://www.deb-multimedia.org bookworm/main amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base amd64 1.22.3-dmo1+deb12u3 [731 kB] Get:17 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libwnck-3-0 amd64 43.0-3 [112 kB] Get:18 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 gir1.2-wnck-3.0 amd64 43.0-3 [28.6 kB] Get:19 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libproxy1v5 amd64 0.4.18-1.2 [56.2 kB] Get:20 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 glib-networking-common all 2.74.0-4 [80.3 kB] Get:21 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 glib-networking-services amd64 2.74.0-4 [12.0 kB] Get:22 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 glib-networking amd64 2.74.0-4 [68.4 kB] Get:23 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libvisual-0.4-0 amd64 0.4.0-19 [132 kB] Get:24 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libvorbisidec1 amd64 1.2.1+git20180316-7 [72.3 kB] Get:25 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libaa1 amd64 1.4p5-50 [55.7 kB] Get:26 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libdv4 amd64 1.0.0-15 [74.4 kB] Get:27 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libshout3 amd64 2.4.6-1+b1 [56.4 kB] Get:28 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libtag1v5-vanilla amd64 1.13-2 [298 kB] Get:29 http://www.deb-multimedia.org bookworm/main amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-good amd64 1.22.3-dmo1+deb12u1 [2,193 kB] Get:30 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libtag1v5 amd64 1.13-2 [18.7 kB] Get:31 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libv4lconvert0 amd64 1.22.1-5+b2 [143 kB] Get:32 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libv4l-0 amd64 1.22.1-5+b2 [109 kB] Get:33 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libwavpack1 amd64 5.6.0-1 [85.7 kB] Get:34 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libsoup2.4-common all 2.74.3-1 [56.0 kB] Get:35 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libsoup2.4-1 amd64 2.74.3-1 [269 kB] Get:36 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libatk-adaptor amd64 2.46.0-5 [9,728 B] Get:37 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libbrlapi0.8 amd64 6.5-7+deb12u1 [90.5 kB] Get:38 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libdotconf0 amd64 1.3-0.3 [14.8 kB] Get:39 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 liblouis-data all 3.24.0-1 [1,989 kB] Get:40 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 liblouis20 amd64 3.24.0-1 [98.6 kB] Get:41 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libspeechd2 amd64 0.11.4-2 [20.3 kB] Get:42 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 python3-brlapi amd64 6.5-7+deb12u1 [146 kB] Get:43 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 python3-cairo amd64 1.20.1-5+b1 [63.1 kB] Get:44 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 python3-louis all 3.24.0-1 [23.6 kB] Get:45 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 python3-pyatspi all 2.46.0-2 [41.9 kB] Get:46 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 python3-xdg all 0.28-2 [40.5 kB] Get:47 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 python3-speechd all 0.11.4-2 [43.1 kB] Get:48 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins amd64 0.11.4-2 [29.8 kB] Get:49 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 speech-dispatcher amd64 0.11.4-2 [3,768 kB] Get:50 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 xkbset amd64 0.6-3 [19.3 kB] Get:51 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 orca all 43.1-1 [1,990 kB] # apt install -d brltty Reading package lists... Done ... After this operation, 22.9 MB of additional disk space will be used. The following NEW packages will be installed: brltty libbrlapi0.8 libduktape207 liblouis-data liblouis20 libpcre2-32-0 polkitd sgml-base xml-core 0 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 2,005 kB/4,183 kB of archives. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libpcre2-32-0 amd64 10.42-1 [234 kB] Get:2 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 sgml-base all 1.31 [15.4 kB] Get:3 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 xml-core all 0.18+nmu1 [23.8 kB] Get:4 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 libduktape207 amd64 2.7.0-2 [134 kB] Get:5 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 polkitd amd64 122-3 [112 kB] Get:6 http://ftp.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 brltty amd64 6.5-7+deb12u1 [1,486 kB] Fetched 2,005 kB in 1s (1,936 kB/s) # already downloaded for orca: libbrlapi0.8 liblouis-data liblouis20 Knowing what installs when orca and/or brltty is asked for should allow to purge the packages obstructing your work. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
