I see Alligate as an excellent compliment to our Imail 8.15/Declude 1.82 setup.
I for one was thankful to learn about it through this list, as we've been struggling with finding an SMTP filtering gateway to sit in front of our working, stable Imail/Declude setup. I didn't have any prior experience with Alligate or Brian so my reading of the announcement was strictly informational. I don't see Alligate being a competitor to Imail or SmarterMail. It doesn't provide pop3, imap, webmail, or anything of the things that our customers call their mail server. It could compete against Declude. Except it works at the initial SMTP connection level (Pre processing) whereas Declude works after the SMTP connection is complete (Post processing). If Declude offered a stable pre-processing solution, I for one would sign up immediately. As I am not aware of any information from Declude stating they have a solution for this, we've all had to look elsewhere (5XX, Vamsoft, IMGate, etc). Dictionary attacks are killing us, as is the volume of spammers hitting our Imail box. ANYTHING to minimize what Imail/Declude has to process, without costing and arm and a leg, or a forklift upgrade is welcome! Alligate is a step above the 5XXSINK, by including tarpitting, detailed text logs, secondary SMTP AUTH port, connection blocking, etc. To me it's the right solution at the right time. IMGate wouldn't work for us because my staff doesn't do *nix, and I don't want to be the only one to support the box ;) I've got to sleep sometimes. Since we let our Imail support lapse and are holding judgment on SmarterMail until v3 is released, we're in a technical holding pattern while the spammers continue to assault our servers. I don't think I'm alone, which means there is an opportunity for someone and a potential market. While I love all this stuff, I have to eat too, and don't fault anyone for turning my pain into their financial gain so they can eat, if the value proposition is right. R. Scott Perry got assaulted on the Imail list repeatedly for years for pushing his wares. Imail had a gap-in-functionality, Declude seized the moment and profited by patching that gap. I was thankful for his repeated input/arguments and purchased his product - against Imail's own later offering. I hope Declude isn't struggling - they are vital to our business. I also hope that others aren't silent about other available options, competitive or otherwise. This list is so great for learning - where else can one go to learn more about real-world, ISP-level email delivery? Sorry for the ramble, just had to put my .02 in... Maintain, Babul (210) 696-1130, ext. 102 (210) 696-0572 [fax] Text Pager Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Montopolis Group, Ltd. - www.montopolis.com "Building stronger businesses... with Technology" -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Posted At: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:35 PM Posted To: Lists - Declude JunkMail Conversation: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that "mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it" attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy ------------------------------------ Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/rel ease/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/dow nload/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/downloa d/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
