On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:12 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2008, James Cornell wrote: > > > Ultra workstations are too priey for most, they're up there with > Macs. Apple > > doesn't offer anything in full desktop form for sub-$2000, and Sun's > desktops > > at the specifications they should be are sold at $1800. Most > organizations > > buy from Dell because they can get them for $1100 a piece with > hardware > > support. I doubt availability of Codeweavers CrossOver would help > Sun's > > It is good that your email account is about to expire since you have > certainly burned it up. > > I have a Sun Ultra 40M2 here and found to be very well priced, > especially once I opened it up and looked inside. I took photos of > the insides and sent them to all my friends. I have never seen such > remarkable build quality. I have priced out systems from other > vendors and found the prices for similar hardware to be similar. > Most of the Dell PC hardware is low-price junk and you have to go to > the top of the Dell "Precision" workstation class to match Sun's > Ultra > 40.
That, and the fact if you run a business you can depreciate it over a period of (according to NZ tax IIRC, 3 years) - effectively making it 'free'. > > Sun has a real PR problem and if they know it or not wouldn't make a > > Sun has always had a PR problem, yet they continue to succeed. From > my perspective they are doing most things right at the moment. Four > years ago they seemed to be taken over by Microsoft's marketing > department but now the marketing is done by engineer's blogs and the > vaccum cleaner salesmen have mostly moved on. Agreed; I'd sooner see Sun keep on the path; thats not to say their marketing is perfect, some of the stuff they do is cringe worthy - and at times ignoring how a few free pieces of hardware and support to a community project might garner some brownie points with the unwashed masses. > > market it's a good bet we'll see it but then again I find FreeBSD to > be a > > better platform than most, it lacks VirtualBox (Which may or may not > be > > FreeBSD is quite nice. Better organized and operated than Linux. True, and it is wonderfully simple :) I'd run it if I could, but it doesn't support my wireless card :( > > desktop. There's too much nutty behavior in OpenSolaris. I > certainly find > > 2008.5 to be a regression even though it means well, just too many > strange > > problems. > > OpenSolaris is a lot newer than FreeBSD. Maybe you should cut it > some > slack. True, but too bad Sun allocates money based on what the product brings in now rather than what the product could bring in, or worse, taking eons to merge things; how long is OpenSound going to hang around before it finally gets merged? Matthew
