On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Eric Boutilier wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Dave Miner wrote: >>> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>>> Glynn Foster wrote: >>>>> Hey, >>>>> >>>>> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I realize that a lot of focus is being spent on JDS 3/gnome, >>>>>> and that >>>>>> this is largely a good thing for the end user. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I am interested, also, in having a "lightweight" desktop >>>>>> environment, suitable for use by system administrators to >>>>>> access gui >>>>>> tools on machines that are otherwise not normally used as a >>>>>> desktop. >>>>>> (Think of an NFS server somewhere. It is useful to be able to >>>>>> run >>>>>> smc >>>>>> and such tools, without paying the full price of Gnome.) >>>>>> >>>>>> The requirements for such an environment would not be >>>>>> dissimilar to >>>>>> those required for graphical suninstall -- a basic window manager >>>>>> like >>>>>> mwm or dtwm would be adequate. I'd be even happier if we got >>>>>> something >>>>>> like xfce4, which was open source, into such as an environment >>>>>> (but then >>>>>> again, I use xfce4 on my primary desktop). >>>>>> >>>>> Sounds good to me - maybe it's something you'd like to consider >>>>> championing? >>>>> While it's probably a good business case for Sun to support any >>>>> more desktops >>>>> than we currently do [1], we could consider doing something like >>>>> this in the >>>>> companion CD? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Glynn >>>>> >>>>> [1] And after CDE moves away, I'd far rather capture that space >>>>> and >>>>> reduce >>>>> the number of CD's in a Solaris install than add another >>>>> desktop env >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have no idea if I can champion anything at all. But see my >>>> earlier >>>> post with respect to "environments". At this point I would be >>>> strongly >>>> in favor of picking up fvwm a basic Window Manger (not a whole >>>> desktop >>>> environment) and putting it in the basic install (the same place >>>> that >>>> twm is found) so that suninstall etc. can make use of it. I would >>>> _not_ >>>> like this on a separate companion CD, because at that point it >>>> loses >>>> most of its advantages (sysadmins can't "count on it being >>>> there", and >>>> Sun can't use it for suninstall, etc.) >>>> >>> >>> I'm doubtful that we're interested in it for Solaris installation. >>> We're moving in the direction of providing a full Gnome desktop >>> instead >>> that lets you try things out before installing or while the >>> install is >>> happening. Other distributions might make other choices, I >>> suppose, but >>> that's what we're looking at for Sun's. >> >> Along those lines, what about isolating GNOME's window manager as >> Garrett >> asked about yesterday (see below). Is it feasible? >> >> Eric >> >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> == (Possibly the basic window manager from gnome would work too, >> == as long as we only start up the window manager and not all >> == the other gobbeldy-gook associated with gnome. I haven't >> == looked lately, so I have no idea how tightly integrated the >> == window manager in gnome is to the rest of the desktop.) ... > > FYI, I found that even isolated, metacity sucked up about 67M size and > 10M rss. The "size" was more than 6X its nearest competitor of the > options I tested. (This is what some people like to call > "bloatware".)
It seems that the Gnome team has not only nicked the appearance of Winslow, they have also nicked the technology behind it ;o) Kaiser Jasse -- Authorized Stealth Oracle The axioms of wisdom: 1. Go the SPARC way of life 2. You can't conquer the universe without the knowledge of FORTRAN 3. In the Unix realm, 10% of work fixes 90% of the problems
