Joe Rhett, I'm not administrator in this mailing list, I'm rather regular that occasionally needs help with some issues, thus I can't have much say about this issue and speak only on my behalf.
This issue seems rather personal than technical, and I was wondering if you could please consider taking this conversation to different medium (I know you tried phone, maybe try something else). There was silence about this for two weeks, and suddenly there it pops up back again. Would you please re-consider taking up this problem on different medium than this list? >From what you said in the previous message, you weren't rude, however you can not define rudeness based on yourself. Definition of rudeness can vary depending on cultures and personal backgrounds. (This is what I realized and what they taught at university anyway :) ) Thanks for your understanding, no offence intended. Regards, Mayo -----Original Message----- > JR> Tried that. No response. I've been sending him patches to fix bugs > JR> in the code and resolve issues many others have pointed out, and > JR> the most I ever get back from him is a single, one-line sentence. > JR> And I usually have to write again and ask for that. > > Tried calling Paul? I'd be extremely surprised if you had his phone > number but whatever, this claim seems to match the rest of your posts. Stating that you doubt he gave me his phone number is exactly what I had said. I attempted to arrange voice communication, and received no response at all. You aren't making a point about my claims, you're reinforcing the fact that he doesn't communicate. > - You sent mail to Paul on Tues evening at ~5pm with patches, etc. > - You sent mail to Paul at 5 am Wed demanding a response. I waited 2 full working days before asking for a reply. Your timing isn't correct, and the e-mail I sent to this list includes all of the original e-mail dates. > - Paul responded saying that he had not had time to look at your > patches yet. No, he said "They will be considered for inclusion" ... a generic, template reponse to a message which contained multiple queries that are important to further development. > - You sent mail a few hours later demanding a response. No, I sent an e-mail stating that I didn't need him to accept the patch or integrate it, but I did need a response regarding the focus of the path. > - Paul sent mail stating that he was working on something else and had > not gotten to it yet. Never received said e-mail. > - You sent mail a few hours later again demanding a response and > basically a commitment from Paul that he would incorporate your > patch. To this Paul no doubt gave no response. I did not ask that he immediately - OR EVER - accept the patch. I asked whether or not he understood and agreed with the concepts involved. Given that I sent a copy of that e-mail to this list for your reference and you have managed to completely ignore it and misrepresent it ... wow, you've got some serious honesty issues. A simple note that he saw the patch and needed some time to look into the issue would have been appropriate and understandable. A generic response that doesn't even acknowledge the questions I posed in my message to him isn't acceptable. Last of all, I'm not the only person he's ignoring. He's ignoring everyone that points out that the system is badly structured and doesn't permit lots of realistic changes. Every time I post I get DOZENS of e-mail messages from other people that he ignores, suggesting that its time we split the source tree and go another way without him. I'm trying to hold this together. For that to happen, we need communication. > Frankly Joe, I'd be surprised if Paul were to ever respond to you > again. I've seen your rude little notes and completely understand > why Paul has a communication problem with you. I've also seen Paul > go back and forth with other folks and get them dialed in and no, > they were not one-line responses. If I were you, I'd take a look in > the mirror before assigning a "communication problem" label to other > folks. Paul is under no obligation to respond to you, ever, so you'd > do well to tone it down if you want anything from him. Being > critical is fine but you don't need to be an *sshole about it and > fuel fires by sending half-true messages to the public list. What half-true message? Given that I sent a copy of the message to this list, and then you turned around completely misrepresented it as if it didn't exist (when it is sitting in front of everyone here) who exactly is lying? And you have a copy of all the communication between us. You'll note that I was never rude. And unlike what you have made up in your head, I never demanded anything. I repeately stated that he was welcome to reimplement it in his own fashion or not at all -- I just wanted to know whether or not he understood and agreed with me on the reasoning for the changes. > decided to send a half-true note to the list in hopes of making him > respond in a way that suits you better. Well, as the saying goes, > you'll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar. I was never rude or impolite to him this time in any fashion. I waited 4 full business days before I wrote to this list. Now that you've repeatedly shown us that you can't read the information sitting right in front of you, and feel no real obligation to stick to reality when you write -- is there any chance I can convince you to stick with the truth, and start trying to help resolve the problems so that everyone who uses this code can benefit? I'm working on something that benefits everyone here. If you'll put your ego aside and focus on reality (and prompt Paul to actually respond) maybe we can accomplish something. This is a useless waste of time. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISite Services, Inc.
