On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Henri Sivonen <hsivo...@hsivonen.fi> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Henri Sivonen <hsivo...@hsivonen.fi> > wrote: > > There's a huge downside, though: > > If the screen stops consuming the DisplayPort data stream, the > > graphical session gets killed! So if you do normal things like turn > > the screen off or switch input on a multi-input screen, your graphical > > session is no longer there when you come back and you get a login > > screen instead! (I haven't yet formed an opinion on whether this > > behavior can be lived with or not.) > > And the downsides don't even end there. rr didn't work. Plus other > stuff not worth mentioning here. > > I guess going back to 16.04.1 is a better deal than 17.10. > > > P.S. It would be good for productivity if Mozilla issued slightly less > > cutting-edge Nvidia GPUs to developers to increase the probability > > that support in nouveau has had time to bake. > > This Mozilla-issued Quadro M2000 has been a very significant harm to > my productivity. Considering how good rr is, I think it makes sense to > continue to run Linux to develop Firefox. However, I think it doesn't > make sense to issue fancy cutting-edge Nvidia GPUs to developers who > aren't specifically working on Nvidia-specific bugs and, instead, it > would make sense to issue GPUs that are boring as possible in terms of > Linux driver support (i.e. Just Works with distro-bundled Free > Software drivers). Going forward, perhaps Mozilla could issue AMD GPUs > with computers that don't have Intel GPUs? > > As for the computer at hand, I want to put an end to this Nvidia > obstacle to getting stuff done. It's been suggested to me that Radeon > RX 560 would be well supported by distro-provided drivers, but the > "*2" footnote at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver > doesn't look too good. Based on that table it seems one should get > Radeon RX 460. Is this the correct conclusion? Does Radeon RX 460 Just > Work with Ubuntu 16.04? Is Radeon RX 460 going to be > WebRender-compatible? > Sophana (CCd) is working on a new system build right now. It will be based on the i9's instead of dual socket Xeons and should be faster and cheaper. We can all thank AMD for introducing competition in the CPU market to enable this to happen :) I also share your desire to not issue fancy video cards in these machines by default. If there are suggestions for a default video card, now is the time to make noise :) Also, the machines come with Windows by default. That's by design: that's where the bulk of Firefox users are. We will develop better products if the machines we use every day resemble what actual users use. I would encourage developers to keep Windows on the new machines when they are issued. I concede that developing Firefox on Linux is better than on Windows for a myriad of reasons. However, that doesn't mean you have to forego Linux. I use Hyper-V under Windows 10 to run Linux. I do most of my development (editors, builds, etc) in that local Linux VM. I use an X server for connecting to graphic Linux applications. The overhead of Hyper-V as compared to native Linux is negligible. Unless I need fast graphics in Linux (which is rare), I pretty much get the advantages of Windows *and* Linux simultaneously. Unless you have requirements that prohibit using a VM, I encourage using this setup. _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
