On 29/03/17 20:42, Jakob Bohm wrote:
> That goal would be equally (in fact better) served by new market
> entrants getting cross-signed by incumbents, like Let's encrypt did.

Google will be issuing from Google-branded intermediates under the
ex-GlobalSign roots. So the chains would be basically the same whether
GS or GTS owned the parent root. So how does requiring them to do it by
cross-signing improve things? Requiring them to do it by cross-signing
just exposes them to business risk which they don't have if they
actually own the roots.

> For example, when doing ordinary browsing with https on-by-default,
> users rarely bother checking the certificate beyond "the browser says
> it is not a MitM attack, good".  Except when visiting a high value
> site, such as a government site to file a change in ownership of an
> entire house (such sites DO exist).  Then it makes sense to click on
> the certificate user interface and check that the supposed "Government
> Land Ownership Registry of the Kingdom of X" site is verified by
> someone that could reasonably be trusted to do so (i.e. not a national
> CA of the republic of Y or the semi-internal CA of some private
> megacorp).

This is what we have CAA and HPKP for.

> With this recent transaction, the browser could show "GlobalSign" when
> it should show "Google", two companies with very different security and
> privacy reputations.  

If Google were issuing from a Google-owned intermediate under a
GlobalSign-owned root, why would the browser show "Google"? I don't
understand how you see the chain differing in this situation.

Gerv
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