rajdavies wrote > Apache isn’t exactly the best place for innovation. Just look at this > whole thread, imagine trying to create a UI based around consensus - it > wouldn’t happen - so it doesn’t seem odd to me that the ASF wouldn't be > there first choice.
Can you please expound on why Apache is not exactly the best place for innovation? Seems to me Apache is a great place to innovate. Its kind of sad that you and others may feel this way. Typically people want to build their own communities outside of Apache because they want control over the project. Looking at hawt.io, who the main players are, it certainly appears its a desire for despotism. That's ok...in some cases having a despot community is the way to go. Unfortunately you end up losing contributions from a more open community. But if that's the case, why not just fork AMQ and bring it somewhere that you don't need community input? That way you can direct ActiveMQ the way you want without having threads such as these. What is it that you and the others get by having AMQ at Apache? Is it the brand that Apache brings to a project? I'm just interested in your thoughts on that. As for Ui based on consensus... I don't think that applies here. The issue folks have with hawt.io is the fact that is has no true representation of the project and the control/bugs are outside the context of contributions here. IMHO, I think having hawt.io in AMQ would get little push back as long as it was a level playing field and didn't take unfair links to a third party, or have unprofessional links to goofy youtube pop videos. rajdavies wrote > There’s never been a great management console before that has been under a > permissive licence like the ASF - its a game changer. I’m happy to promote > in any small way I can. I guess we will see. Calling it like I see it, I think it was created outside the ASF for control purposes. IMHO, the ASL (which is horrendously uncommon for RH projects to adopt) was simply utilized to shoehorn the project into other Apache projects under the premise that its license makes it ok, while maintaining despotic control over it. Bravo... nicely done. I have to say that was creative thinking. -- View this message in context: http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Move-the-ActiveMQ-web-console-to-a-sub-project-tp4676877p4677128.html Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
