On 31 January 2014 17:09, jgenender <[email protected]> wrote: > Now now...no need for ad hominem. ;-) Pet the kitty a wee bit more and > take > 3 deep breaths. ;-) > > I think there seems to be a major misunderstanding here, particularly on > your part. > > No...Apache is not the center of the universe. No Apache is not the best > place for all projects. It has its warts and it has its downsides, > bureaucracy, rules and regulations, and that doesn't work for everyone. > Not > every project is a good fit for Apache. > > To be very very clear, I never stated that you must/should bring your > hawt.io project into Apache. I never told you how to run your project. > That project is yours and I have no basis, nor have I made comments on your > project, other than some compliments. i.e. hawt.io is a neat/interesting > technology, etc etc. > > I *did* say that the pimping of that project at Apache in its current form > that clearly exposes a marketing angle for your host company was not fair > to > the Apache communities, be it Camel, AMQ, Karaf, [put Apache project du > jour > here].
Yes we had the cheek to develop an amazing kick ass modern console that really helps ActiveMQ developers & users get stuff done. Its awesome and we open sourced it. (BTW most companies keep this kinda stuff as a commercial product - check out what happens in Hadoop with commercial consoles from Cloudera / HortonWorks / DataStax et al). But at Red Hat we do *everything* OSS. But yes hawtio has a little non-corporate OSS logo in the top corner to give the open source community that did all the hard work a little credit (which is the Open Source Way (tm)). Pretty fucking evil eh! Do my evil powers know no bounds! Bwahahahah! However folks have complained. ActiveMQ must remain a pure Apache ivory tower; links to non-Apache open source projects will not be tolerated if they have a UI. I mean really - anything could happen right. Folks might vaguely indirectly learn that Red Hat actually fund lots of development of ASF licensed open source code at Apache and outside it. Jeez think of the children! Thats so unfair! Whatever - this is all old news. hawtio has been removed from ActiveMQ. User experience has been traded for ActiveMQ Apache's purity and hawtio's gone from the distro. Can we move on now? > I also said that it should be skinned at AMQ so that it fits in more > with a project's look and feel. I also advocated that you guys may want to > provide skinning as it would likely increase your adoption and acceptance > of > it in many projects, not just Apache. Yeah, those were some big irritating > and offensive attacks! Sorry about that James, sometimes I really need to > watch those nasty comments! ;-) > > You made your anti-Apache sentiments abundantly clear. I was answering your exact question. I'm not anti-Apache. Just given the choice when creating *new* projects, I'd prefer not to expose myself and fellow open source developers to the anti-Fuse/RedHat smear campaign and bullshit that comes from certain Savoir + Talend employees when working on Apache projects that they happen to sell services around. Hence my preference for github for new innovative projects where its pretty hard to run a smear campaign or waste precious time on bullshit. > That's fine. But > then I have to ask you, why do you continue to develop here? Because I care passionately about the projects I invest in, helped build and promote. Unfortunately we have to just sit and take the bullshit from Savoir / Talendwhen employees when working on Apache projects. I'm not prepared to be bullied out of Apache though if thats what you're asking. You're not trying to threaten me now are you? > If I had to > develop in a locale that was misery to me, I'd fork the darned thing and be > done with it. Good for you. -- James ------- Red Hat Email: [email protected] Web: http://fusesource.com Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ Open Source Integration
