Where I think we are now…. (started before Hadrians recent post, but reemphasized by it)
My apologies for misrepresenting what anyone and everyone has said. In particular, I think Art and Hadrian have been the squeaky wheels, and I may still be missing a lot of what you are concerned about. On the other hand a lot of my questions have gone unanswered. 1. artemis to incubator. The original discussion was to bring what is now artemis into the activemq community. Therefore to me there needs to be a problem that kicking it out again will really clearly solve. As near as I can make out the problem is insufficient involvement of non-redhat employees. To me the best way to solve this is by increasing the involvement of non-redhat employees rather than decreasing the involvement of redhat employees. I think pushing any enthusiastic community members out is a bad idea. If you think the people focusing primarily on artemis aren't community members yet, I will repeat my question that no one has tried to answer yet….. what did you think would happen when you invited them in? 2. Community involvement, expanding the community, etc. I think everyone agrees by now that the existing committers "should" apply all the outstanding patches, invite more people to be committers, and the PMC "should" invite non-PMC committers onto the PMC. Somehow I'd expect the loudest complainers to be at the forefront of this activity, but, although I might be blind, I don't. I'm left with the impression that Hadrian and Art think that along with their day jobs, the red hat employees are the only people who have enough time, by virtue of their jobs, to do this work as well. I dunno, this is just an impression I'm developing after waiting for weeks for a positive suggestion about the community. Who specifically should we vote in as a committer? That's something we could have done a couple weeks ago. Which committer, specifically, could be brought into the PMC to try to counterbalance the alleged RH junta? I'm really discouraged by the insistence from a couple people that the only possible explanation of where we are now is an evil Winston/Fuse/RedHat conspiracy. I think it's also just barely possible that after working all day people get tired. After providing unpaid all-waking-hours support for first jboss and then geronimo for many many years I sure did. This is not to say that there isn't a strong need for more community involvement, but expecting the same people to do everything all the time is getting implausible. david jencks On Apr 20, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <bruce.sny...@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off the > essence here. > > Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have included > in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to the > report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP. > > Bruce > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com> > wrote: > >> So we are running into a time crunch here. I'm hoping all the PMC >> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem >> necessary. Many thanks to those who have helped out. Seems like some >> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in >> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input. But your >> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is >> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that >> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting. >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide a >> timely >>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go about >> it, >>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should be >>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from the >>> board) could be addressed before the meeting. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hadrian >>> >>> >>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it is right >>>> now. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that were not >>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the claims to >>>>> provide >>>>> an explanation. >>>>> >>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain my views >> if >>>>> anybody requires it. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Hadrian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in the board report >>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think it addresses the >>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the report an >> explanation >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter for Fuse crowd. >> It >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hadrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make to this report? >> Please >>>>>>>> apply your updates soon. The board meets on the 22nd and I'd like >> to >>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>> <hi...@hiramchirino.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys. The board requested a report this month and had some >>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code donation. I've put up a >>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation naming vote soon a >>>>>>>>> report that too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>>>>>> hchir...@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Hiram Chirino >> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >> hchir...@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com >> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >> > > > > -- > perl -e 'print > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );' > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ > Blog: http://bruceblog.org/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
